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Safari 13 Is Out

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Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#41

Post by Rebelgecko »

ahurmazda wrote: post #37
janfoeh wrote: post #31

It really, really is a shame that they removed proper extensions. While Safari never had a good extension story, it was at least bearable, and in all other regards its simply the best Mac browser. Now I have to take a really hard look at switching back to Firefox, and that would be a downgrade in almost every regard I care about. Pity.

I made the switch to FF 2 months ago after being a Safari zealot (for nearly 10-14 years). I did not notice any memory hogging (was an issue in past). I have not rebooted FF in 20+ days. I really enjoy the "container" concept in FF. (ymmv of course)

The only downside is that FF battery life is much worse than Safari. Supposedly they're working on being smarter about GPU usage to improve this, but I haven't checked lately to see if it has made a difference.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#42

Post by jamesb93 »

mml wrote: post #26
glogla wrote: post #11

Apple removed the ability to use uBlock Origin or similar. I tried few ad blocker from the app store, but non of them block Youtube's video ad, making it useless. We still have Firefox for now I guess.

wipr from the App Store is a serviceable ad blocker, not as good as ublock origin, but (mostly) does the job for me at least. I miss the ability to kill specific elements ad-hoc.

I payed for Wipr and I don't notice the difference between it an uBlock Origin on my windows machine. Can you report if it works on Safari 13?

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#43

Post by fnordsensei »

mfer wrote: post #39
fnordsensei wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a "proper" extension? The only things in the release notes seem to be about broadening the API somewhat.

There were legacy extensions delivered outside the app store. Those are deprecated and with Safari 13 were removed. There are other extensions delivered through the App Store you can install. For example, there is a uBlock extension there.

What could be driving that, I wonder? Are they concerned with malware?

Regardless, it seems like a big thing to omit from the notes.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#44

Post by glogla »

ubercow13 wrote: post #40
bouke wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extensions for Safari are distributed through the AppStore. I currently have uBlock (not Origin) installed as an extension.

You’re using it on 13?

uBlock (not origin) is by the same company as AdBlock Plus - "acceptable ads" (e.g. pay to play), privacy issues, general scummy behavior. I would suggest to steer away from it.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#45

Post by MaxLeiter »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #41
ahurmazda wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made the switch to FF 2 months ago after being a Safari zealot (for nearly 10-14 years). I did not notice any memory hogging (was an issue in past). I have not rebooted FF in 20+ days. I really enjoy the "container" concept in FF. (ymmv of course)

The only downside is that FF battery life is much worse than Safari. Supposedly they're working on being smarter about GPU usage to improve this, but I haven't checked lately to see if it has made a difference.

On newer versions (of Firefox Nightly), they use the native CoreAnimations library now for vastly improved battery life:

https://twitter.com/whimboo/status/1168437524357898240

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#46

Post by janfoeh »

fnordsensei wrote: post #43
mfer wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were legacy extensions delivered outside the app store. Those are deprecated and with Safari 13 were removed. There are other extensions delivered through the App Store you can install. For example, there is a uBlock extension there.

What could be driving that, I wonder? Are they concerned with malware? Regardless, it seems like a big thing to omit from the notes.

If I were to guess, probably performance and battery life. They emphasized efficiency when they introduced their own compiled blacklist API for content blockers.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#47

Post by LeoPanthera »

janfoeh wrote: post #31

It really, really is a shame that they removed proper extensions. While Safari never had a good extension story, it was at least bearable, and in all other regards its simply the best Mac browser. Now I have to take a really hard look at switching back to Firefox, and that would be a downgrade in almost every regard I care about. Pity.

So far I've managed to find a perfectly acceptable alternative to every extension I was using except for Tampermonkey.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#48

Post by Xixi »

davidhyde wrote: post #3

Safari is the new internet explorer. Too little, too late.

The Internet Explorer that is so hated was IE6. It wasn't too little, too late. It was frozen in time, with millions of corporate workers unable to upgrade. In 2010 IE6 was already 9 years old, yet we still had to support it for business customers.

I'm sure you don't have to support 9 years old Safari.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#49

Post by mfer »

fnordsensei wrote: post #43
mfer wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were legacy extensions delivered outside the app store. Those are deprecated and with Safari 13 were removed. There are other extensions delivered through the App Store you can install. For example, there is a uBlock extension there.

What could be driving that, I wonder? Are they concerned with malware? Regardless, it seems like a big thing to omit from the notes.

> Removed support for Legacy Safari Extensions.

It was in the notes. That's the line.

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