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Safari 13 Is Out

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Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#31
It really, really is a shame that they removed proper extensions. While Safari never had a good extension story, it was at least bearable, and in all other regards its simply the best Mac browser.

Now I have to take a really hard look at switching back to Firefox, and that would be a downgrade in almost every regard I care about. Pity.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#32

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Nope. Chrome is the new IE. Standards don't matter when you have a high enough market share- you can do whatever you want and people have to support it. IE was the reference browser for the web in the 90s, and Chrome is that today.

Yes, Safari is the new Opera. Technically superior in many ways but also barely competing. Opera went on to abandon their custom technology in favor of Chrome's after losing their dominant position in mobile to Safari and Chrome. As long as the EU doesn't force Apple to accept fair competition on iOS Safari's future looks bright!

IIRC Opera was planning to adopt WebKit – but when Google forked WebKit, Opera went with Blink instead.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#33
Just opened it again out of curiosity and the first message I got is that the Bitwarden and Pocket extensions are not supported anymore. Oh, well, as much as I'd like to use it, a desktop browser without extensions is dead to me. There are some extensions that provide me with little quality of life improvements and whatnot. Since, when I'm using my computer, I'm almost always using a browser, these things become important.

I wonder why Apple decided to axe extensions and not support WebExtensions, that at this point have become a standard shared by Firefox and Chrome. Too bad.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#34
post #28
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* Added support for the Pointer Events API enabling consistent access to mouse, trackpad, touch, and Apple Pencil events. https://caniuse.com/#feat=pointer - now you can use one unified event capture everywhere, instead of having to choose between "click" and "touch"!

Nice to see that all browsers support Pointer Events now. This Microsoft proposed standard was initially fiercely opposed by Google and Apple some years ago.

Well that was before they were shipping devices with a stylus.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Chrome is the new IE. Standards don't matter when you have a high enough market share- you can do whatever you want and people have to support it. IE was the reference browser for the web in the 90s, and Chrome is that today.

Yes, Safari is the new Opera. Technically superior in many ways but also barely competing. Opera went on to abandon their custom technology in favor of Chrome's after losing their dominant position in mobile to Safari and Chrome. As long as the EU doesn't force Apple to accept fair competition on iOS Safari's future looks bright!

Safari is the new IE6, because the version of Safari you have is locked to the version of iOS you have. Features like Pointer Events, visualViewport, ES2017 etc are available on Android 4.4, because Google still updates Chrome on old Android devices.

I struggle to support iOS 9 (Safari 9) and I barely support iOS 7, because we have a number of users with old devices and we are not a consumer app so we can't just ignore our users who cannot upgrade their browser.

I regularly check caniuse and mdn to see if I can use a useful feature that is in Firefox, Chrome and Edge, and I regularly can't because Safari doesn't support it. Or often I try to use a feature and it is buggy on Safari. Safari is the only browser that regularly breaks our web app (most recently Safari 13 changes for the iPad desktop mode). I also see old versions of Safari in use by some of our MacOS users (presumably because they can't or won't update?)

If our users hit a show-stopping bug in any other browser (browser bug or our bug), they can usually try a different browser. But iOS users can only use WebKit, so they are the most vulnerable to serious bugs.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#36
post #31

It really, really is a shame that they removed proper extensions. While Safari never had a good extension story, it was at least bearable, and in all other regards its simply the best Mac browser. Now I have to take a really hard look at switching back to Firefox, and that would be a downgrade in almost every regard I care about. Pity.

What's a "proper" extension? The only things in the release notes seem to be about broadening the API somewhat.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#37
post #31

It really, really is a shame that they removed proper extensions. While Safari never had a good extension story, it was at least bearable, and in all other regards its simply the best Mac browser. Now I have to take a really hard look at switching back to Firefox, and that would be a downgrade in almost every regard I care about. Pity.

I made the switch to FF 2 months ago after being a Safari zealot (for nearly 10-14 years). I did not notice any memory hogging (was an issue in past). I have not rebooted FF in 20+ days. I really enjoy the "container" concept in FF. (ymmv of course)

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#38
One thing Safari really needs to fix: suggesting a secure password but then not save it. I have been trolled too many times.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

#39
post #31

It really, really is a shame that they removed proper extensions. While Safari never had a good extension story, it was at least bearable, and in all other regards its simply the best Mac browser. Now I have to take a really hard look at switching back to Firefox, and that would be a downgrade in almost every regard I care about. Pity.

What's a "proper" extension? The only things in the release notes seem to be about broadening the API somewhat.

There were legacy extensions delivered outside the app store. Those are deprecated and with Safari 13 were removed.

There are other extensions delivered through the App Store you can install. For example, there is a uBlock extension there.

Re: Safari 13 Is Out

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post #11

Apple removed the ability to use uBlock Origin or similar. I tried few ad blocker from the app store, but non of them block Youtube's video ad, making it useless. We still have Firefox for now I guess.

Extensions for Safari are distributed through the AppStore. I currently have uBlock (not Origin) installed as an extension.

You’re using it on 13?
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