A significant part of the fear comes from how poorly worded it is.
all each company has to do is click 'accept'
BINGO!!!
Hah!
Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
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Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#52I see a lot of comments deriding this law, can someone explain to me why these are bad things? Quoting from this article - https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/28/landmark-california-privac...
- Businesses must disclose what information they collect, what business purpose they do so for and any third parties they share that data with.
- Businesses would be required to comply with official consumer requests to delete that data.
- Consumers can opt out of their data being sold, and businesses can’t retaliate by changing the price or level of service.
- Businesses can, however, offer “financial incentives” for being allowed to collect data.
- California authorities are empowered to fine companies for violations.
I totally understand that this will impact a lot of tech companies' profits...but that's to be expected if you're making money selling people's data to third parties without their permission.
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#53We need to have a conversation about jurisdictions in the digital age. The way governments have decided that having a website accessible in a country makes you liable to respect the law of this country is a convulted and hacky notion that has been accepted way too fast. The physical establishment rule was the only sound approach. The fact that some countries started to lose shouldn't have allowed them to rewrite the…
> We need to have a conversation about jurisdictions in the digital age. The way governments have decided that having a website accessible in a country makes you liable to respect the law of this country is a convulted and hacky notion that has been accepted way too fast. You know if you turn that around and say "How come we have to respect the laws of every country we do business in?" it sounds a lot more self servi…
> Nobody said your movie has to be viewable in China.
You will of course forgive me if I do not find economic favoritism that benefits politically connected industrialists, the restriction of freedom of thought by oppressive governments, and the general Balkanization of the Internet, to be things that we ought to celebrate.
Once upon a time the memes of Internet culture would suggest that "information wants to be free!" Oh, sweet halcyon days of yore!
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#54So many NYC-based journalists who love to spit all over "Silicon Valley". Is there room for a TechCrunch-like publication with a more Silicon Valley-influenced editorial bent? (There's already a massive surplus of sneering Brooklyn-based scolds in "tech media".)
If you want SV propaganda, try techdirt.com.
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah... CCPA and GDPR have proved that large enterprises will do just fine, because Amazon can always afford enough lawyers to handle regulatory overhead and confusion across territories. The startups end up either (1) ignoring the laws or (2) giving up. Good job EU, if making the FAANGs the only companies with the clout to hold customer data or break into new markets was your primary goal.
GDPR is not a difficult law to comply with for an EU company, unless you're adtech.
We've already had this discussion.
We've already seen non-adtech companies simply shut down EU access if they don't have enough revenue. That's probably not a good thing.
I support the GDPR, but complying with it is far from simple and the jurisprudence is not yet clear.
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#56I see a lot of comments deriding this law, can someone explain to me why these are bad things? Quoting from this article - https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/28/landmark-california-privac... - Businesses must disclose what information they collect, what business purpose they do so for and any third parties they share that data with. - Businesses would be required to comply with official consumer requests to delete that d…
I am on board with this law, but I’m curious how these two points will shake out:
> - Consumers can opt out of their data being sold, and businesses can’t retaliate by changing the price or level of service.
> - Businesses can, however, offer “financial incentives” for being allowed to collect data.
Seems to me that it’s a distinction without a difference. Is there something I’m missing?
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We need to have a conversation about jurisdictions in the digital age. The way governments have decided that having a website accessible in a country makes you liable to respect the law of this country is a convulted and hacky notion that has been accepted way too fast. You know if you turn that around and say "How come we have to respect the laws of every country we do business in?" it sounds a lot more self servi…
This. Imagine if you said the same thing with taxes. "Gee, why do I have to pay taxes differently in every country?" Well, because that's what you have to do if you want to do business there. You're not forced to do anything in here if you don't want to; if the opportunity is worthy, others will take your place. Same with the laws, especially those that remove agency from the users.
The tax problem could be solved by requiring a shipping manifest, including declared value, and applying taxes at the shipping carrier level. This would make more sense anyway since the delivery carriers have to establish a physical presence.
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#58We need to have a conversation about jurisdictions in the digital age. The way governments have decided that having a website accessible in a country makes you liable to respect the law of this country is a convulted and hacky notion that has been accepted way too fast. The physical establishment rule was the only sound approach. The fact that some countries started to lose shouldn't have allowed them to rewrite the…
Agreed. A good rule of thumb is the law applicable is where your HQ is located. Or you have to come up with good reasons why US companies shouldn't comply with the Chinese gov but should with EU ones.
Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#59I see a lot of comments deriding this law, can someone explain to me why these are bad things? Quoting from this article - https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/28/landmark-california-privac... - Businesses must disclose what information they collect, what business purpose they do so for and any third parties they share that data with. - Businesses would be required to comply with official consumer requests to delete that d…
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Re: Silicon Valley is terrified of California’s privacy law
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah... CCPA and GDPR have proved that large enterprises will do just fine, because Amazon can always afford enough lawyers to handle regulatory overhead and confusion across territories. The startups end up either (1) ignoring the laws or (2) giving up. Good job EU, if making the FAANGs the only companies with the clout to hold customer data or break into new markets was your primary goal.
GDPR is not a difficult law to comply with for an EU company, unless you're adtech.
Our EU employees could not file expense reports for months, because our expense management software (FROSCH or something) could not figure out GDPR compliance.
Soooo I kinda suspect you're talking with absolutely no first-hand experience.