Reddit was down for over two hours • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by untog » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:12 AM UTC

tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #151

hombre_fatal wrote: post #141

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>but a good chunk of the population does not want either The largest Freenode channels I'm on like #node.js and #javascript have about 10 regulars max, myself included. It's pretty much dead for any purpose other than hanging out with a handful of curmudgeons feeding off a corpse out of habit. Doesn't seem like "a good chunk" to me. IRC lacks the only feature I really care about in a chat network: new people to talk…

"I have never experienced this thing, therefore this thing must not exist"

"I like this thing, therefore a sizeable chunk of the population must too"

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by lazyjones » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:16 AM UTC

dymk wrote: post #154

lazyjones wrote: post #134

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> Reddit is just as much of a profit driven company as Facebook or Twitter, I’m not sure why you’d think otherwise. Because, among other things, they don't show annoying ad formats and don't demand real names and phone numbers from their users.

Yet :)

We'll see. Meanwhile, the old design is still available and not burdened with lots of trackers.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by smacktoward » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:18 AM UTC

sha666sum wrote: post #62

manigandham wrote: post #48

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Except UX is everything. 100s of billions in corporate value are based on nothing more than better UX. If only everyone who talks about usenet, IRC, and the rest could actually be bothered to update the experience to what modern users demand.

You know, the people who talk about USENET and IRC are people who don't want to be "updated" to what modern users demand. I don't know if you've had a look around you lately, but the modern internet is a dumpster fire. Anyways, ideally you would be able to connect to services with whichever client you want. You could use a pretty eye candy client, or then not. With the web, however, it's an impossible feat to impleme…

Usenet turned into a dumpster fire even more quickly than the Web did. It was completely overrun with spam and binaries by the late '90s.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by teh_klev » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:19 AM UTC

dymk wrote: post #12

Reddit is the only major social media/aggregator I can think of that actually has to go offline for scheduled maintenance still. I can’t imagine the kind of shitshow it must be internally. Imagine if Facebook or Twitter had to go down regularly for “maintenance”. Heads would roll.

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> I can’t imagine the kind of shitshow it must be internally.

In real life, nobody cares, they aren't important, normal people react with "nobody cares". My own reaction as a reddit user and commenter was....well who gives a shit? I'll go do another thing such as reading a book.

Rreddit is just a honeypot for shitposters (possibly a good thing for the rest of the internet).

I'm in my 50's and hung out on a plethora of (what are to be honest mostly moronic) "boards"...slashdot, digg, reddit etc. When they go away for a few hours or days this doesn't black out my life.

If your social life hinges on the availability of Reddit, Facebook et al then I kinda feel you have deeper issues. Especially when you don't pay for this service.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by cwkoss » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:20 AM UTC

thehappypm wrote: post #160

cwkoss wrote: post #98

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I've specced out a decentralized reddit alternative a little bit, but have too many side projects. Someone please take this and build it. Let me know if you try, would love to spectate and advise on development. The key is there shouldn't be a globally consistent front page. Sorting should be done on an individual basis. Upvotes boost signal signal to peers and downvotes squelch. By propagating content scores transit…

Congrats! You have invented the Instagram feed.

Does instagram have some sort of internal 'trust score' type thing between users that used to weight the feed? Neat.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by chubbyrabbit » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:24 AM UTC

netsec_burn wrote: post #147

mike_d wrote: post #93

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"We are a startup that inherited a 15 year old website" was one of the things that resonated when I worked there. Facebook is Alexa #5 in the US and has ~40,000 employees. Reddit is #6 and has ~500 employees. Twitter is #17 and has ~4,000 employees. (Numbers taken from quick Google searches) They have some super talented engineers that work miracles with band aids and bubble gum. Edit: Yes I understand not all employ…

Wikipedia is one of the Alexa top 10 globally (above Reddit, which is #20) and has 300 employees.

There's a reason he compared Reddit with Twitter and Facebook. You interact a lot with social media (commenting, liking, etc.) and also their content is much more dynamic and personalised.

Wikipedia is very static in comparison.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by gdulli » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:28 AM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #83

sha666sum wrote: post #62

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You know, the people who talk about USENET and IRC are people who don't want to be "updated" to what modern users demand. I don't know if you've had a look around you lately, but the modern internet is a dumpster fire. Anyways, ideally you would be able to connect to services with whichever client you want. You could use a pretty eye candy client, or then not. With the web, however, it's an impossible feat to impleme…

> the people who talk about USENET and IRC are people who don't want to be "updated" to what modern users demand. IRC is objectively terrible. If you ask a question, the only way to get the answer is if you stay logged in until someone answers you. That's like buying a phone that doesn't ring unless you're already holding it up to your ear, or an email client that deletes all your email unless you happen to be lookin…

Synchronous and asynchronous communication both have their fundamental strengths and weaknesses. In a chat room you have the possibility of a real-time back and forth. That's invaluable at times.

You might have a preference for one over another, or each might be appropriate for different situations. But to claim one is objectively terrible is ridiculous and only makes you look like you haven't taken the time to understand it at its most basic level, or you're too solipsistic to be able to recognize the existence of value in something outside of your own preference.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by joecool1029 » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:30 AM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #163

sha666sum wrote: post #62

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You know, the people who talk about USENET and IRC are people who don't want to be "updated" to what modern users demand. I don't know if you've had a look around you lately, but the modern internet is a dumpster fire. Anyways, ideally you would be able to connect to services with whichever client you want. You could use a pretty eye candy client, or then not. With the web, however, it's an impossible feat to impleme…

Usenet turned into a dumpster fire even more quickly than the Web did. It was completely overrun with spam and binaries by the late '90s.

However, the spam mostly died off now. It's possible to have great convos with boomers complaining about each other finally. A small number of people came back because of the pseudoanonymous qualities. Honestly the only thing that really sucks is Google Groups users bumping 15 year old threads.

Oh and binaries didn't go away, that's a feature and you just don't have to sync alt.bin.* if you want to avoid. I think it's great though for snatching rare/out of print stuff.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by buboard » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:38 AM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #27

Y'know, the toll that all this activity takes on Reddit's servers gave me an idea for a sort of distributed Reddit. News links and stories assorted into topic-based groups, with the option for users to comment or respond to others' comments in a threaded discussion. It would be completely decentralized and belong to the users, not some central media company. We could call it Users' Network, or USENET for short. We co…

Such a SPAM system will SPAM never have a SPAM problem with spam

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Post by basch » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 1:38 AM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #98

bitwize wrote: post #27

Y'know, the toll that all this activity takes on Reddit's servers gave me an idea for a sort of distributed Reddit. News links and stories assorted into topic-based groups, with the option for users to comment or respond to others' comments in a threaded discussion. It would be completely decentralized and belong to the users, not some central media company. We could call it Users' Network, or USENET for short. We co…

I've specced out a decentralized reddit alternative a little bit, but have too many side projects. Someone please take this and build it. Let me know if you try, would love to spectate and advise on development. The key is there shouldn't be a globally consistent front page. Sorting should be done on an individual basis. Upvotes boost signal signal to peers and downvotes squelch. By propagating content scores transit…

I would much rather have the feed based on trust weighting of experts or people smarter than me, than the feed trying to feed me what it thinks pleases me. Metacritic vs Netflix. Aldaily vs facebook.

You dont need a consistent front page for everyone, but communities of like people should get similar front pages based on what is "best" and best shouldn't be defined as universally popular, but instead popular with some subset of experts.