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The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by pishpash »

ent101 wrote: post #77
ineedasername wrote: post #34

I like that the internet archive exists, but I don't like how they implement their opt-out policy. Sites can opt-out at any time, which I suppose is the correct thing to allow, but once they opt out then everything the Archive has gathered up to that point also goes away, which seems wrong.

Just to be clear, the data doesn't seem to be deleted -- it only becomes inaccessible once the site opts out; all the data can come back if the site changes its mind.

Does it also continue to archive while the 'do not archive' flag is on?

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by jumpman500 »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #122
devmunchies wrote: post #104

> But Mr Graham argued that simply removing false information or offensive content isn’t necessarily the answer. Hateful material need not remain publicly available, he said, but certain researchers and politicians should be able to study it. They're planting the seed and seeing how the public reacts. This is ridiculous! Mark something "controversial", "possibly fake", but don't memory-hole us. An archive only archiv…

There is no public-interest benefit in hate screeds. Those are memetic viruses with established body counts and should be studied, if at all, in the manner one studies smallpox.

Well this is a super elitist point of view. I'm okay with the public understanding and misunderstanding information. There's value in their interpretation. Civilization goes on and history should be preserved as accurately as we can. We should protect children, but adults have the right to know what other adults think and say.

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by orf »

cameronbrown wrote: post #126
JulianMorrison wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no public-interest benefit in hate screeds. Those are memetic viruses with established body counts and should be studied, if at all, in the manner one studies smallpox.

Banning Nazi content is easily the most obvious way to create real Nazis amongst the youth, who being young are attracted to anything taboo, or who may believe that there's some big conspiracy to cover something up so "it must be true, they don't want us to know". This is a dark line of thinking.

Ahh yes, of course, the large monolithic monoculture called "the youth" is naturally stupid enough to be "attracted to anything taboo" without thinking or questioning it. That's why they sure are attracted to other taboo things like incest and necrophilia.

No. Banning Nazi content won't suddenly make it appealing to young people. Things are a lot more nuanced than "banning bad, because kids dumb".

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by JulianMorrison »

fromthestart wrote: post #129
JulianMorrison wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no public-interest benefit in hate screeds. Those are memetic viruses with established body counts and should be studied, if at all, in the manner one studies smallpox.

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And they would be wrong. Liberation literature is not in the same category as hate screeds. I don't buy the moral abdication you're selling. You know what's evil - it's the stuff full of race hate and misogyny. There is no moral equivalence.

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by 4ntonius8lock »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #128
cameronbrown wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banning Nazi content is easily the most obvious way to create real Nazis amongst the youth, who being young are attracted to anything taboo, or who may believe that there's some big conspiracy to cover something up so "it must be true, they don't want us to know". This is a dark line of thinking.

Honestly, no it's not. When society doesn't just ban, but abhor Nazis, then Nazi groups are small. There's people who are into rejection, but it's not a lot. When Society sees Nazi things as forbidden fruit and makes them widely available, then you get the bully types dabbling in it, and it's more widespread. And when society permits it to be mainstream politics, you're one solid resistance movement away from genocid…

> Honestly, no it's not. When society doesn't just ban, but abhor Nazis, then Nazi groups are small. There's people who are into rejection, but it's not a lot. > When Society sees Nazi things as forbidden fruit and makes them widely available, then you get the bully types dabbling in it, and it's more widespread.

There's a lot of certainty in the way you are saying it.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but do you have any references? Truly curious, I always see these things as hard to measure/understand, so super interested to know info that would help remove that for me.

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by OrgNet »

devmunchies wrote: post #104

> But Mr Graham argued that simply removing false information or offensive content isn’t necessarily the answer. Hateful material need not remain publicly available, he said, but certain researchers and politicians should be able to study it. They're planting the seed and seeing how the public reacts. This is ridiculous! Mark something "controversial", "possibly fake", but don't memory-hole us. An archive only archiv…

Apparently, we need a storage capacity breakthrough so that everyone can store everything so that we do not have to relay on what someone else say is acceptable.

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by weberc2 »

magashna wrote: post #38
weberc2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I don't have a dog in this fight) From TFA: "The result is Trump and Brexit!" and generally the lack of anything disparaging toward the left. The article and the Internet Archive plainly isn't "focused on conservatives", but it sort of undermines its purported mission (commitment to preserving the truth) in the implication that conservatives are unique in espousing misinformation, even if the implication is unintent…

Wouldn't it be up to X side to submit links to IA? Also if a site opt-out and their historical data is wiped, that isn't IA's bias, it's the site choosing to opt-out.

Per the article, we're discussing IA's efforts to flag "misinformation".

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #118
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't make then compliant [with UK law, at least], it just makes them appear to be. Copyright covers copying, the copying has already been done, and the copies are being retained: meaning any infringement is ongoing. They're just hiding their probable infringement. I'm more than happy for them to do that btw, but I do have strong reservations about letting anyone "archive" a site and offer it to the public. This…

The Internet Archive has no physical presence in the UK to my knowledge.

They copy websites from UK servers. They extend their presence to UK jurisdiction in order to do that.

Re: The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jMyles wrote: post #69
toomuchtodo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t go away, it’s just not public. This is to comply with copyright law. It’s still safely stored on disk.

> This is to comply with copyright law. If that's true, it will be a better resource for humanity if it charts a way to be hosted in a jurisdiction where copyright law doesn't require this kind of censorship.

https://blog.archive.org/2018/07/21/decentralized-web-faq/
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