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Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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This has been known for quite a while, basically passing through the non sterile vaginal canal vs the sterile (or close to it) abdominal wall yields differences. This has lead to some questionable practices such as "vaginal seeding" whereby new moms will swab their vagina and then seed their babies shortly after birth (usually through placing the gauze in babies mouth or around their face). This comes up not infreque…

Well, what was known is wrong. The original hypothesis was the bacteria came from the vagina, but this study shows it comes from gut.

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#62
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The only issue I have had with vaccines, I have three daughters, all vaccinated; but I just don’t like how they cram like six vaccines into a single doctor visit. My middle daughter got the chicken pox vaccine right before we went on vacation to Chicago. When we got to Chicago, she got the chicken pox actually from the vaccine. I was there for work and wife and daughter were supposed to be fiddling about the city whi…

This is apparently one of the better-studied questions about immunization, and the verdict is that multiple simultaneous vaccinations does not increase the risk of side effects.

Surely, that depends on how you frame it?

Tossing three coins doesn't increase the odds of any one of them being heads, surely enough. But tossing them at the same time as a single combined trial, instead of just one coin, does increase the odds of at least one heads showing up from 50 to 87.5%.

Of course, you're going to have all those vaccines anyway and so the odds are the same overall for those administrations. Just like it doesn't matter whether we toss three coins at the same time, or weeks apart; the odds are 87.5% we will see a head.

But grandparent has a point about a situation like getting multiple vaccines before travel, where you're making it more likely that side effect will occur during that specific inconvenient time.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

#63
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It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

Cancerlingus? Preposterous.

HPV can cause mouth and throat cancer[1].

[1]https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/can-oral-sex-give...

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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post #58

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The only issue I have had with vaccines, I have three daughters, all vaccinated; but I just don’t like how they cram like six vaccines into a single doctor visit. My middle daughter got the chicken pox vaccine right before we went on vacation to Chicago. When we got to Chicago, she got the chicken pox actually from the vaccine. I was there for work and wife and daughter were supposed to be fiddling about the city whi…

This is apparently one of the better-studied questions about immunization, and the verdict is that multiple simultaneous vaccinations does not increase the risk of side effects.

Then we need to start studying how to help parents have a better experience when vaccinating their children. The fact is that, as a parent, it's unsettling to watch a doctor pump vial after vial into your kid. Even immediately after birth, I remember there was a big vial they injected into my son. If the patient had been an adult it would have been like injecting an entire tumbler full of serum. There's a bit of a gut punch there, especially if you're like me and generally believe that you were born with pretty much everything you needed to live well and that seeking medical treatment is something you do because you can't otherwise live well.

I'm good with vaccines, but we shouldn't be dismissing the parental perspective. Also, studied side effects probably don't include things like increased agitation, crankiness, lethargy, as side-effects. These things make life miserable for parents for a few days so yeah, parents are going to notice. Of course some parents are going to blame the vaccine when the kid just happened to get a cold at the same time too, but people get the message of "trust your instincts" and then see their kid get sick, and it is the parent that is ultimately responsible for the child's well being and also the one that will be blamed if the child is having a bad day or year.

So yeah, some amount of working with parents would be a good thing.

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#65
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idk man, I feel kinda ok with dismissing antivax/essential oils/healing crystals theories. Especially considering how many children got harmed (some to the point of death) by "crunchy karens" who decided that they know better than modern medicine and doctors. While every topic deserves to be questioned and not dismissed, some have been argued to death already, and I would feel ok with not getting into an argument abo…

The only issue I have had with vaccines, I have three daughters, all vaccinated; but I just don’t like how they cram like six vaccines into a single doctor visit. My middle daughter got the chicken pox vaccine right before we went on vacation to Chicago. When we got to Chicago, she got the chicken pox actually from the vaccine. I was there for work and wife and daughter were supposed to be fiddling about the city whi…

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Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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post #63
post #52

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Cancerlingus? Preposterous.

HPV can cause mouth and throat cancer[1]. [1] https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/can-oral-sex-give...

So that would be HPV causing cancer. Not cunnilingus. If you are insinuating that the transmission of HPV is through cunnilingus then fine. But stating a direct causation is careless.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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post #53

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It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

> Farm kids are healthiest Why can't we just buy some farm dirt in pill form?

Because it's easier and more effect for one to just go outside.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

> Farm kids are healthiest Why can't we just buy some farm dirt in pill form?

My sister works as a physician at Phoenix Children’s Hospital and they are literally studying whether giving “dirt pills” to children helps prevent asthma. Wish I could find the link for more info.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

#69
The biggest question that surround all this microbiome discussion is - does the difference even matter?

Note that you can significantly alter your gut microbiome simply by changes to your diet.

Right now the link between the microbiome and allergies is tenuous at best.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

> Farm kids are healthiest Why can't we just buy some farm dirt in pill form?

Coronado Biosciences tried to treat Crohn's disease using hookworm eggs. Basically give the patient a bunch of eggs, the hook worms hatch, cause an immune response, then die (as they can’t live in humans).

Clinical trial showed no impact at all on the disease.

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