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Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by Syzygies »

irrational wrote: post #47
Syzygies wrote: post #40

Many of us Caesarian babies didn't get "vaginal seeding" at birth, but have been trying to catch up ever since.

You joke, and are being downvoted, but I had never ever thought about cunnilingus affecting ones gut biome. Is that ridiculous or even possible?

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer.

It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by iyw »

Syzygies wrote: post #51
irrational wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You joke, and are being downvoted, but I had never ever thought about cunnilingus affecting ones gut biome. Is that ridiculous or even possible?

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

Cancerlingus?

Preposterous.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by amelius »

Syzygies wrote: post #51
irrational wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You joke, and are being downvoted, but I had never ever thought about cunnilingus affecting ones gut biome. Is that ridiculous or even possible?

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

> Farm kids are healthiest

Why can't we just buy some farm dirt in pill form?

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by [deleted] »

trhway wrote: post #33

the mother probably gets antibiotics before caesarean. Does that antibiotic make it into the baby? That would mean that beside not getting the good vaginal mix of bacteria (that mix among other benefits seems to be able to control candida yeast growth which is a big deal on its own), the bacteria set that the baby already possesses gets hit by the antibiotic, a double whammy of sort.

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Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by conception »

oneepic wrote: post #25
bitwize wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that sounds like a "crunchy Karen" practice...

I don't want to google "crunchy Karen" at work...can someone post a description here?

Others got the Karen part but crunchy comes from "granola parents" who are doing trendy "health" things.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by trhway »

robbiep wrote: post #46
trhway wrote: post #33

the mother probably gets antibiotics before caesarean. Does that antibiotic make it into the baby? That would mean that beside not getting the good vaginal mix of bacteria (that mix among other benefits seems to be able to control candida yeast growth which is a big deal on its own), the bacteria set that the baby already possesses gets hit by the antibiotic, a double whammy of sort.

A Caesar mother does get a stat of antibiotics before opening. In crash caesars this would barely have time to distribute; normal operating procedure calls for the dose to occur 30 min to 1 hr before skin incision though. You have a bit of a misunderstanding here - a baby does not have a microbiome in the womb - it is a sterile environment

>You have a bit of a misunderstanding here - a baby does not have a microbiome in the womb - it is a sterile environment

no. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4350424/

"The first, and most important, contribution to the genesis of the microbiome is vertical transmission of maternal microbiota. Colonization of mucosa in the digestive, respiratory, urogenital tracts, as well as the skin begins at, or perhaps even before, the time of birth when a newborn is exposed to a mother’s microbiota. It was previously thought that the in utero environment was largely sterile and that a fetus was not colonized with bacteria until the time of birth. Recent studies suggest the presence of a microbiome within the placenta as well as fetal meconium, suggesting that the colonization process begins well before delivery. "

And my point is that the "most important, contribution to the genesis of the microbiome" probably gets hit with the antibiotics given for C-section.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by tptacek »

samstave wrote: post #37
filoleg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk man, I feel kinda ok with dismissing antivax/essential oils/healing crystals theories. Especially considering how many children got harmed (some to the point of death) by "crunchy karens" who decided that they know better than modern medicine and doctors. While every topic deserves to be questioned and not dismissed, some have been argued to death already, and I would feel ok with not getting into an argument abo…

The only issue I have had with vaccines, I have three daughters, all vaccinated; but I just don’t like how they cram like six vaccines into a single doctor visit. My middle daughter got the chicken pox vaccine right before we went on vacation to Chicago. When we got to Chicago, she got the chicken pox actually from the vaccine. I was there for work and wife and daughter were supposed to be fiddling about the city whi…

This is apparently one of the better-studied questions about immunization, and the verdict is that multiple simultaneous vaccinations does not increase the risk of side effects.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by filoleg »

wdbbdw wrote: post #36
filoleg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk man, I feel kinda ok with dismissing antivax/essential oils/healing crystals theories. Especially considering how many children got harmed (some to the point of death) by "crunchy karens" who decided that they know better than modern medicine and doctors. While every topic deserves to be questioned and not dismissed, some have been argued to death already, and I would feel ok with not getting into an argument abo…

Conflating microbiome interests with antivax mania doesn't make any sense to me, and I agree that "crunchy Karen" is a dismissive sexist tropE, especially in this context. Do any of you have even a passing familiarity with modern microbiome research? It's super fascinating and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

Oh, I am not dismissing the microbiome research. As evidenced by the comments in this thread, it seems that it is even taught in nursing/med schools. I think the parent just described the type of person who brings it up to doctors, not that this specific technique should be dismissed.

But I would dismiss any non-conventional medical theory from non-educated (in medical field) people, even if it proves to be correct in the future. When the research and appropriate studies are done (and they prove the initial hypothesis), I will gladly switch my opinion.

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