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United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by sandinmytea »

This is yet another way to avoid exposing real circumstances AND reap funds to continue black-budget trafficking operations (precedent setting [see DanielBMarkham's assessment], plus avoiding certain due process rights.)

It will not succeed because these measures stand between everyone who has not had their circumstances optimized by bad, withholding leadership.. preventing the better results in the advancement of types of people everywhere. Myself included!

Asymmetry of information has overrun the optimum curves of received value for all peoples. Now there must be more clarity amidst those elites to reform their appetites/waste/projected powers, lest they get priced-out by their own over-runs.

A way of saying: evil loses. Nature and dignity are neutral. These methods are not. They break the system that keeps balance, so WHY a unique ruling matters a great deal more than a blanket pronouncement OR precedent- setting to avoid getting caught in abuses-of-trust.

Specifically, abuses of trust(s) by knowing authority generates enormous destructive potential in spirit-of-the-law violations.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by bloak »

Nobody in this discussion seems to have mentioned the word "advance". Snowden has already been paid for this book, and the advance will have been negotiated with the expectation that it will be difficult to pay any additional royalties.

Has Snowden's contract with the publisher been exhibited yet? It'll be interesting to see if there's anything funny in there.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by grecy »

bb88 wrote: post #32
HashThis wrote: post #21

This is the "It is illegal to inform the citizen base that the government has removed their constitutional right" lawsuit. The NSA and FBI removed every US citizen of their constitutional right, to privacy. Edward Snowden informed the US citzen base on their constitutional rights being removed. This lawsuit is the government saying it is illegal for any US citizen to inform all other citizens when the government remo…

Rightly or wrongly, that is not a part of the SF86 form when one applies for a clearance. The SF86 form offers no leeway for moral objections. So in such a scenario, it would be better to not submit the SF86 form in the first place. The only people I'm aware of that can publish classified information without punishment are journalists.

Surely this has nothing to do with moral objections and simply to do with the law.

The US Government took away citizens constitutional rights, and Snowden told everyone about it.

I like to think that even if Snowden is convicted of that, then that forces the US government to be convicted of wrong-doing also. i.e. you can't be convicted of telling secrets that aren't true.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by wpdev_63 »

mCOLlSVIxp6c wrote: post #150
kstenerud wrote: post #41

For those wondering, the purpose here (part of a multi-pronged approach) is to restrict his income and seize his assets. The less money someone has access to, the less power they have. This makes it harder for him to live day-to-day, restricts his access to experts who won't work pro-bono, and ultimately will hurt his criminal defense should he ever return to the USA. These guys don't fool around. Expect more pressur…

I strongly agree. Since Snowden himself is presumably in Russia, the U.S. government is effectively attempting economic sanctions against him. Their method is to scare anyone that might send him money with a lawsuit.

Edward Snowden should really setup a monero wallet and post the address on his site. I would love to give him some money at the end of the year.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by mcny »

SkyBelow wrote: post #188
chrisdhoover wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There the concept of civil disobedience. You don't simply leave a country because you disagree with it, you change it. Refer to the King and the civil rights movement for more. Go further back to the other Martin Luther for even more.

There is also the option of ignoring it (piracy vs IP laws) and subverting it (many communities refuse to work with cops and handle justice themselves). These are as illegal as civil disobedience (refusing to work with cops might be more legal in some countries). As to if they are more or less moral... what moral framework are we using to judge?

We all have our own moral compass.

I'm pretty sure the Declaration of Independence (1776) was also unlawful as well...

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by henryfjordan »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #182

This may actually be good news. Somebody might have determined that it's not worth the political cost to prosecute him publicly, so they'll press civil charges, slowly make the criminal stuff go away, then it becomes a "normal" lawsuit instead of such a hot potato. (I am freely speculating here)

Lol, Snowden can't be prosecuted publicly because he's hanging out in Russia. If he got on a plane back to the US today he'd be in front of judge for a plea hearing tomorrow.

This is the exact opposite of what you suggest. Someone has such a motivation for "justice" and can't put him in jail, so they want to deprive him of the profits for his book.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by geggam »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #136
geggam wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are fundamental rules in the bill of rights the govt has passed laws to circumvent. Those laws are fundamentally illegal

Such as?

Another example...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

1st amendment ensures the entire US is a free speech zone.

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