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Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by paranoidrobot »

emmelaich wrote: post #59
crispinb wrote: post #49

Well I don't know about faster than 5G, but for my rural location it's a lifesaver. I get a steady 60Mbps down, 12-15 up, which is just a tad better than my previous 0.3Mbps ADSL. It's kind of amazing and is literally what enables me to live where I do (ie. for remote work). 4g here is also far better than the shithouse fake NBN foisted on us by our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more re…

Good post until the last sentence! NBN history is far more interesting than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network

I have to say that it's interesting in the way that watching something be destroyed is interesting.

Being stuck inside it is not interesting, it's horrifying and depressing.

I moved into an apartment that was built with NBN Fibre to every apartment. I moved here and paid a premium for it because I wanted to get a head-start on the FTTH rollout we were promised.

Instead of the promised ability to move just about anywhere and get the same connection quality and bandwidth options, we now have a roulette wheel where most of the options are mediocre at best.

Worse still, we paid even more for this bungled mix of copper based tech than the original FTTH rollout.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by zizee »

baroffoos wrote: post #83
zizee wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. As per the HN guidelines: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle HN is a great place for considered discussion. Let's keep it that way.

To be fair, it's a true statement. The NBN is shithouse and compared to what was promised originally, it could be considered fake.

This is the part that is questionable:

> our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more recent than coal & witch burning.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by bacon_waffle »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #44
rb808 wrote: post #37

Anyone know of a dirt cheap 3G-only plan in the USA? I saw some in Europe and its just what I need really.

I used redpocket.com for a plan for my Nokia 3310 3G. I think it was $10 a month.

How do you like the Nokia 3310 3G? Have been tempted to buy one of those (or the 8110 4G bananaphone), main hesitation is around losing Signal and maps(?) though I understand there are ways to sideload an old version of Google Maps to the 3310.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by bingobob »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #88
keyle wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, you never get that outside of the town centre. 10mbps cap in the suburb on 4G. Anyway, this doesn't really highlight how good our 4G is, it highlights how poor our interconnected fibre network is. It's a bloody multi-generational disaster, a train wreck salvaged. And the price of it all lands on the consumers. For example, I'm on cable, and life is good. When I get migrated (by force) to fibre, I wi…

The NBN in its post 2013 form is a disaster but I'm not aware of any areas that are still being migrated from HFC to fibre by them. Are you sure this is the case? If you have HFC you will likely stay on HFC, but you will indeed have your bandwidth downgraded and price increased. Thanks Liberal Party. Regardless, it's not really relevant to an article about 4G vs 5G - they are separate fibre networks I believe?

HFC Still better than FTTN (VDSL) with most of the HFC network supporting DOCSIS 3.1 supporting speeds of 10Gbit

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by antsar »

wmf wrote: post #77
mfer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5G can handle more devices being connected. All those smart things that want to phone home. It's likely 5G will let many more devices be connected and phoning home without using our personal internet connections. I wonder what it would look like for my TV to be connected and sending my viewing habits back to the manufacturer without a method for me to turn it off. 5G makes this idea much easier. Phone companies can g…

It's likely 5G will let many more devices be connected and phoning home without using our personal internet connections. There's no way this can be cheaper, especially in the US where carriers are currently charging $10-20 per device per month. I can imagine a dystopian future where device vendors think "x% of people can't figure out how to connect to their own WiFi, so let's ship a 5G radio with Verizon eSIM instead…

Maybe they could optimize by turning off (and not paying for) cellular when WiFi is available.

Seems disgustingly plausible, tbh.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by contingencies »

jwilliams wrote: post #41
ricardobeat wrote: post #5

Amazingly the article refrains from providing any numbers for Australia. From the original report: - 5G: 792mbps - 4G: 950mbps https://www.opensignal.com/blog/2019/07/08/5g-boosts-the-max...

Australia has the Telstra "4GX" and Optus "4G plus" networks - it's AU 4G with its own spectrum and band aggregation. I have seen gigabit speeds on 4GX - once, when it was new and the spectrum was hardly used. Since the reports are quoting real world maximums, I'm sure that number is true - but doesn't reflect your average experience.

IIRC the largest ISP in Australia is Vodafone who provide more mobile IP connectivity than anyone else. (Source: Personal discussion with senior management, ~5? years ago)

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by contingencies »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #29
thereare5lights wrote: post #14

This is a clickbait title. Their 5G network is worse than their 4G network. Their 4G network is not faster than 5G in general.

Their 4G beats a lot of other countries 5G. But yes theoretically 5G is a lot better and generally should be faster. It’s also got other capabilities like support for higher density (devices per sq km)

Australian density is significantly less than Asia. In China FWIW on typical mobile devices I often observe connectivity issues with planes landing, trains moving and so forth. Especially near borders (HK/Macau).

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by batiudrami »

keyle wrote: post #82
ricardobeat wrote: post #5

Amazingly the article refrains from providing any numbers for Australia. From the original report: - 5G: 792mbps - 4G: 950mbps https://www.opensignal.com/blog/2019/07/08/5g-boosts-the-max...

In my experience, you never get that outside of the town centre. 10mbps cap in the suburb on 4G. Anyway, this doesn't really highlight how good our 4G is, it highlights how poor our interconnected fibre network is. It's a bloody multi-generational disaster, a train wreck salvaged. And the price of it all lands on the consumers. For example, I'm on cable, and life is good. When I get migrated (by force) to fibre, I wi…

It depends where you are. I just did a speed test in the suburbs on a Telstra reseller and got 118MBit, which IME is par for the course around Perth and suburbs.

That speed is just double the maximum line speed of my FTTN NBN connection at the same property (but I keep it anyway as household data usage on 4G is uneconomical).

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by manicdee »

zizee wrote: post #92
baroffoos wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's a true statement. The NBN is shithouse and compared to what was promised originally, it could be considered fake.

This is the part that is questionable: > our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more recent than coal & witch burning.

Let sleeping dogs lie, is my advice here.
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