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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by imtringued »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #64
greggman2 wrote: post #58

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is that the entire story? there is a pole every year whether a man could handle having a woman as a boss. In Japan it's still 70-80% say "no". Many Japanese women might choose to stay home but many effectively have few other choices more anecdata: a Japanese friend of mine moved back to Japan (Tokyo) after 10 years in the states to raise her 2 kids. She tried to get a job and was told "go home and take care of your k…

I guess the issue for those japanese companies was not that they don't want women, or think that women should only be moms. It's that she was indeed a mom that had to take care of their kids (I assume since you didn't mention any stay-at-home partner). In that situation she was not able to wageslave her life away for the company.

Are you saying they didn't want to burden a mother with an awful job?

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by skitout »

yyyk wrote: post #95
nabla9 wrote: post #43

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More I have studied international relations literacy, more surprised I am of how Iran is misrepresented in public. Iranian leadership is not crazy group of religious lunatics. Ayatollahs are very conservative group of politicians who use religion for political control. There is nothing there that can't be explained by normal power politics. They have goals and constraints. Their main goal internationally is to become…

* Regime run directly by religious leaders, which seem to be living in an orthodox style. * Enforces religious laws on all citizens, and sometimes externally (like the Salman Rushdie case), even when paying a significant price for it. * Has multiple outsider militia directly swearing loyalty to its leader based on religious connections. * Repeatedly swears it wants to destroy Israel, and 'Death to America' is a repea…

The president is not (necessary) a religious leader, nor is the chief of army or of the IRGC. Different religious leaders have a lot of power but many tend to overestimate their power.

For sure they enforces religious laws more than most of other countries, but again there is often a gap between what people picture and and the reality. My well educated brother was for example surprise that many girl wear scarf in a way to show half of their hairs, or that Iran pays for the transition of some transgender person. Definitely more liberal than Saudi Arabia...

Most countries that can find ways to boost their international influence. Suporting militia or countries is one way (like USA supporting kurdish militia in Iran°, but religion is only part of the equation. For example Iran supports Sunni groups (Hamas being the most famous)or country (use to get ties with Sudan). Religion helps. But money and military support is the cornerstone here. And many groups needs Iran, but don't like it, its control, have different agenda.

Repeatedly swears it wants to destroy Israel (good communication) but never do anything really in this direction. They have plenty of opportunity but don't act. Cause that is definitely not very important for them, and not realistic. A slogan is a slogan...

Conclusion: Iran is a dictatorship, a theocracy, and is in a fight with USA. Most of their leader are convinced Shia Muslim, but the way they acts shows that they are more guided by Iranian interest and regime / self interest preservation than crazy cleric fighting for primary for Shia everywhere in the world... And while it is a regime I hate, it is clear to me there is a big gap between the perception of Iran and the reality

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by skitout »

nickik wrote: post #100
TulliusCicero wrote: post #86

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So you're agreeing with me then? Because I was arguing against > Iranian leadership is not crazy group of religious lunatics. And here you are saying that it's the leadership with all these crazy rules, enforcing them on a perhaps-unwilling populace.

Well I wouldn't call them crazy. The are religious, but still conduct stategraft as rationally and pragmatist as anybody else. Even more so. Their idiology informs their forign policy, but so much is true for all nations.

When they support Syria or Hamas (Sunni), their are not guided by ideology but by Iranian and regime interst

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by stunt »

grimskin wrote: post #77

Why there are papers on the floor near each table on the photo in the article?

Looking into their faces, Most of them are waiting, and some of them are trying to read those papers. So I assume there is an exam and those are questions and the the exam has not started yet when they took this photo. Probably they are only allowed to pick them up once exam starts.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by oytis »

daliusd wrote: post #57
oytis wrote: post #49

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I think it's one of the problems with people from the West reasoning about authoritarian countries. You try to evaluate countries that are like 30-100 years behind by the metrics that are relevant for the Western world _today_ (like gender gap, etc.). The problem with Iran, in the first place is that it is an authoritarian theocracy with no freedom of speech, assembly and association, freedom of religion, right to fa…

However even authoritarian regimes are different. E.g. Stalin's Soviet Russia is quite different from post-Stalin Soviet Russia while both are authoritarian regimes. I don't want to live in either but if I had to choose from the two that's definitely not under Stalin's sun. Based on what people talk in Iran authoritarian regime is much more relaxed now. The only reason why we don't see revolution in Iran yet is that…

I did't mean Iran is a worst regime ever. I was only objecting to claiming it being 'roughly the same' as Netherlands in 1980s based on one trait, that is women's rights.

Considering Stalin's regime it was quite progressive wrt gender equality for it's time: women had equal rights to vote (even if voting was meaningless), could study at universities and work almost any job they wanted. Still, it was a brutal totalitarian dictatorship, and if I was a woman, I would probably prefer living in some less equal Western country at the time.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Double_a_92 »

imtringued wrote: post #101
Double_a_92 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the issue for those japanese companies was not that they don't want women, or think that women should only be moms. It's that she was indeed a mom that had to take care of their kids (I assume since you didn't mention any stay-at-home partner). In that situation she was not able to wageslave her life away for the company.

Are you saying they didn't want to burden a mother with an awful job?

Not that they didn't want but that they couldn't. If your employee got kids to look after, they won't realistically stay in the office for unnecessary extra hours.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Konnstann »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #91
CDSlice wrote: post #85

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How is being forced to wear specific clothing and being banned from certain areas for no reason other than your gender _not_ massive oppression? It's literally taking away your ability to decide for yourself as a human being. And yes, I'm a privileged westerner, but that doesn't exactly seem relevant.

Would you rather live in a politically and financially unstable country were you are free to do whatever you want. Or were you are forced to wear specific type of clothes but society is wealthy and stable?

Seeing as how the average Iranian is neither wealthy nor in a politically stable environment, I'd have to disagree with the argument as a whole. Reducing the treatment of women under Islamic law to "wearing specific clothes" is also incredibly misleading.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by yyyk »

skitout wrote: post #102
yyyk wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Regime run directly by religious leaders, which seem to be living in an orthodox style. * Enforces religious laws on all citizens, and sometimes externally (like the Salman Rushdie case), even when paying a significant price for it. * Has multiple outsider militia directly swearing loyalty to its leader based on religious connections. * Repeatedly swears it wants to destroy Israel, and 'Death to America' is a repea…

The president is not (necessary) a religious leader, nor is the chief of army or of the IRGC. Different religious leaders have a lot of power but many tend to overestimate their power. For sure they enforces religious laws more than most of other countries, but again there is often a gap between what people picture and and the reality. My well educated brother was for example surprise that many girl wear scarf in a w…

* Perhaps you've heard of this religious guy called the Supreme leader which outranks the President and makes the important decisions.

* Paying for transgender tranisition is enforcing their religious laws - their version of Shia Islam is OK with the tranisition since they see it as a method of 'fixing' homosexuality. It's basically their version of a 'conversion treatment'. As wiki puts it:

"They sanction funds for sex reassignment surgery in order to fit all of their citizens into the category of either male or female without any grey area for those who are homosexual or transgender."[0]

* Iran doesn't do anything to harm Israel except for multi-decade direct funding and military support for every anti-Israel organizations in the neighbourhood.

Again, there's this narrowmindedness in the West that simply can't understand feelings and ideas outside it, including ideas that people in the West once had, and is in particular blind to religious zeal.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Iran

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by joelbluminator »

nickik wrote: post #98
joelbluminator wrote: post #83

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It's not just US demands, I don't think Europe is crazy about Iran having ballistic missiles armed with Nuclear warheads either (nor is it crazy about the idea Saudi will have them). Iran is responsible for destabilising oil supplies recently, is 100% responsible for arming Hezbollah and of course extends it's influence to Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Saudi Arabia is doing none of that and doesn't seem to care that much ab…

> I don't think Europe is crazy about Iran having ballistic missiles armed with Nuclear warheads either That just fear mongering. Iran is neither developing missiles that can carry warheads, nor do they have the nuclear material for warheads nor do they have the technology for warheads. The missles Iran are developing are conventional missiles for mid-range applications. They actual understand that Europe doesn't wan…

Unreasonable, hypocritical? The west is dealing with a country that still hangs gays out of cranes (lately it said it has no gay problem because no gays live in Iran). Just because Saudi maybe is just as bad as Iran (which I doubt, since as I said it cooperates with Western interests) doesn't make Iran a reasonable country. If they wanna commit financial suicide that's on them.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Markoff »

thereyougo wrote: post #10

Two months ago I went to a journey called the 'Mongol Rally' which is basically a race when you need to drive from the Czech Republic to Mongolia in a shitty car Because I'm from Israel my team couldn't get into Iran but other teams got into Iran and all of them were extremely surprised. Iranians know how to welcome tourists, they were extremely friendly, the food is delicious, the country is beautiful, and many peop…

I heard this sentiment from many people though when my friend (experienced traveller) visited few months ago, he was very disappointed, saying they are even bigger cheaters than infamous Vietnamese and Indians, yeah they are smiling at you pretending to be your friend (unlike sour faces in Vietnam), but they still try to cheat you and God forbid if you disagree with their praise for the country, so now I just think of it as about another Vietnam
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