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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Moru »

skrebbel wrote: post #18
daliusd wrote: post #5

I was in Iran last year so let's give some perspective why this metric alone is useless: 1. Before university boys and girls learn in separate schools. 2. After university women have almost zero chances for career. It is more probably that they will end up being house wives. I doubt that this has changed in a year. I have not checked my facts - that's impression from speaking with open minded Iranian families (and we…

I was born in 1983 in the Netherlands. My mom, and all my friends' moms, were housewives. About half of these moms were university educated or comparably. All their daughters now have proper jobs. Sounds like Iran is roughly in the same place now, which I assume is a big improvement over some decades ago. Just give it another generation. Anecdotally, I've tought some CS classes at the local university, to a highly mi…

You can't compare Iran to Netherlands 30+ years ago...

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by aikah »

skrebbel wrote: post #18
daliusd wrote: post #5

I was in Iran last year so let's give some perspective why this metric alone is useless: 1. Before university boys and girls learn in separate schools. 2. After university women have almost zero chances for career. It is more probably that they will end up being house wives. I doubt that this has changed in a year. I have not checked my facts - that's impression from speaking with open minded Iranian families (and we…

I was born in 1983 in the Netherlands. My mom, and all my friends' moms, were housewives. About half of these moms were university educated or comparably. All their daughters now have proper jobs. Sounds like Iran is roughly in the same place now, which I assume is a big improvement over some decades ago. Just give it another generation. Anecdotally, I've tought some CS classes at the local university, to a highly mi…

> Just give it another generation.

There is a pretty clear difference between Netherlands and Iran. The former isn't a dictatorship nor a theocracy.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by csomar »

thereyougo wrote: post #10

Two months ago I went to a journey called the 'Mongol Rally' which is basically a race when you need to drive from the Czech Republic to Mongolia in a shitty car Because I'm from Israel my team couldn't get into Iran but other teams got into Iran and all of them were extremely surprised. Iranians know how to welcome tourists, they were extremely friendly, the food is delicious, the country is beautiful, and many peop…

> The problem in Iran is their politicians and the image created around the radical Iranian regime

I have another view: The problem with Iran is the USA siding with Saudi Arabia. Both Iran and S.A. are radical islamists countries (one could even argue that S.A. is worse). But somehow Iran is portrayed as evil and S.A. is given a blank check.

I'm 95% certain that Iran politicians will hail U.S.A if they were to change sides.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by [deleted] »

csomar wrote: post #29
mehrdadn wrote: post #24

It used to be 70% in STEM, now it's 49% (edited to clarify): https://www.forbes.com/sites/amyguttman/2015/12/09/set-to-ta...

No. From the article > 70% of of Iran's science and engineering students are women This article talk about all universities and all fields. Not just science and engineering.

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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by TulliusCicero »

sasasassy wrote: post #14

I've heard the theory that in countries where women are more dependent, like Muslim countries, they have much higher levels of enrolment exactly to be able to escape their dependency on male family members. Similarly in poorer countries, like India and ex-Soviet republics, the enrolment for the sciences versus arts is larger than the rest of the world.

At least in the US there are substantially more women in university than men: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-me...

> Where men once went to college in proportions far higher than women—58 percent to 42 percent as recently as the 1970s—the ratio has now almost exactly reversed.

> This fall, women will comprise more than 56 percent of students on campuses nationwide, according to the U.S. Department of Education. Some 2.2 million fewer men than women will be enrolled in college this year. And the trend shows no sign of abating. By 2026, the department estimates, 57 percent of college students will be women.

Not sure how it is in other Western countries though.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by yyyk »

fluffything wrote: post #23
yyyk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran bans females from attending sports events and imposes mandatory hijab (e.g. [0]), Turkey does not. You can oppose Western policy if you like, but lets talk about the country's policies as they really are. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/iranian-female...

Is Turkey really that much progressive than Iran ? Turkey is quite connected to Germany even though many don't want to admit that, so I would agree that, superficially at least, it looks more western-ish. But IIRC a couple of years ago there was a coup attempt in Turkey, lots of journalists, academics, judges, etc. were instantaneously thrown into jail, etc. So I'm unsure how much of that "western-look" that Turkey h…

Turkey is getting worse and worse, but there's still no outright overt enforcement of religious norms and a secular opposition is still allowed to run in meaningful elections. Closer to Iran than Greece? hmm.. sure. But it's not there just yet.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by [deleted] »

Moru wrote: post #31
skrebbel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was born in 1983 in the Netherlands. My mom, and all my friends' moms, were housewives. About half of these moms were university educated or comparably. All their daughters now have proper jobs. Sounds like Iran is roughly in the same place now, which I assume is a big improvement over some decades ago. Just give it another generation. Anecdotally, I've tought some CS classes at the local university, to a highly mi…

You can't compare Iran to Netherlands 30+ years ago...

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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by thinkingemote »

The Gender-Equality Paradox in STEM

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/095679761774171...

"...life-quality pressures in less gender-equal countries promote girls’ and women’s engagement with STEM subjects."

The above paper didn't include Iran (I think?) but Tunisia, UAE, Algeria and Turkey all had the most proportion of women in STEM and the lowest gender equality out of all the countries.

They are probably entering university not because Iran is friendly towards women and girls but because their society is unfriendly towards them. Iran certainly has a very low Global Gender Gap index. In the bottom 5 countries in the world. http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GGGR_2017.pdf

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by bloak »

yyyk wrote: post #15
quotz wrote: post #6

Actually, most of Western opinion about Iran is misguided and plain wrong. Iran is really not as terrible as all the propaganda about it. In fact its quite much like Turkey, except the politicians are better and its not as corrupt.

Iran bans females from attending sports events and imposes mandatory hijab (e.g. [0]), Turkey does not. You can oppose Western policy if you like, but lets talk about the country's policies as they really are. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/iranian-female...

Iran requires headscarves. Turkey has banned them. Both are somewhat oppressive, in that respect, but dress codes are a trivial matter compared to things like freedom of speech. I'd rather not get distracted by them.

East Germany allowed total nudity on the beach (and also didn't ban burkinis, as far as I know, unlike certain countries that claim to believe in Liberté). Was East Germany less oppressive than the UK?

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