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Re: TextMate 2.0

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Post by statictype »

TylerE wrote: post #11
snazz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible that native graphical editors will increase in popularity at some point. There’s probably a niche of people who don’t like the potentially poor performance of Electron-based editors but don’t want to learn (or find that they dislike) terminal-based editors like Vim and Emacs. Who knows? Google Trends isn’t an accurate way to tell the popularity of programming languages either.

Sublime Text, is native, isn't? Sure, much of the API and all the plugin stuff is in Python, but the core is all native C++ AFAIK.

Its native but cross platform so many Mac purists don’t consider it as “native” as TextMate, which is built specifically for the Mac and doesn't compromise on standard Mac UI idioms.

Having said that, if they had known all the modern alternatives were going to be even less “native” amd run in a browser engine, they'd probably have been less nitpicky.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#52

Post by jordwalke »

snazz wrote: post #7
nimz wrote: post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

It’s possible that native graphical editors will increase in popularity at some point. There’s probably a niche of people who don’t like the potentially poor performance of Electron-based editors but don’t want to learn (or find that they dislike) terminal-based editors like Vim and Emacs. Who knows? Google Trends isn’t an accurate way to tell the popularity of programming languages either.

You might like to follow OniVim2: https://onivim.io

It is native, cross platform, and not based on Electron. It also uses Vim as the core editing engine.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#53

Post by lettergram »

stu_k wrote: post #32
lettergram wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom is more popular than those listed: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

"atom" probably includes searches for the particle, not just the editor, so not really fair comparison. Also "vs code" trends higher than "visual studio code", so take all of these results with a pinch of salt.

If you look it says "Atom - Text Editor"

Re: TextMate 2.0

#54

Post by xipho »

nimz wrote: post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Indeed, but not the whole story ;)

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Re: TextMate 2.0

#55

Post by mastazi »

lettergram wrote: post #27
Advaith wrote: post #15

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> Jumped ship to Sublime when it was released because it was evolving much quicker. Was glad to have backwards compat on a lot of things like themes. Still have my modified “Made or Code” theme kicking today. Tried TM2 a ton during the betas but never managed to reach the same level of productivity as Sublime. My muscle memory is too strong now and I can’t find any reason to leave. That's an interesting comparison. I…

Atom is more popular than those listed: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

If you select the appropriate topics as opposed to raw search terms, you get a very different picture https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Re: TextMate 2.0

#56

Post by mastazi »

lettergram wrote: post #53
stu_k wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"atom" probably includes searches for the particle, not just the editor, so not really fair comparison. Also "vs code" trends higher than "visual studio code", so take all of these results with a pinch of salt.

If you look it says "Atom - Text Editor"

But if you select "Visual Studio Code - Text Editor", then that one becomes the most popular - see link I posted above

Re: TextMate 2.0

#57

Post by bdcravens »

lettergram wrote: post #53
stu_k wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"atom" probably includes searches for the particle, not just the editor, so not really fair comparison. Also "vs code" trends higher than "visual studio code", so take all of these results with a pinch of salt.

If you look it says "Atom - Text Editor"

That graph shows it was almost as popular in 2004 as it is today, so obviously that term isn't just referring to the editor. (since it wasn't released until 2015)

Re: TextMate 2.0

#58

Post by arghwhat »

statictype wrote: post #51
TylerE wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sublime Text, is native, isn't? Sure, much of the API and all the plugin stuff is in Python, but the core is all native C++ AFAIK.

Its native but cross platform so many Mac purists don’t consider it as “native” as TextMate, which is built specifically for the Mac and doesn't compromise on standard Mac UI idioms. Having said that, if they had known all the modern alternatives were going to be even less “native” amd run in a browser engine, they'd probably have been less nitpicky.

Eh, as a macOS user until recently, I found Sublime Text to be a very integrated application. Appearance and behavior was exactly as I'd expect from modern macOS applications.

It may not be heavy on archaic Mac features such as AppleScript integration, but I hope we can all agree to ignore those technologies.

TextMate just brings memories of the 10.4 Tiger days.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#59

Post by chr1 »

xipho wrote: post #54
nimz wrote: post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Indeed, but not the whole story ;) https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Would be interesting to know which percentage of vim searches are for vim keybindings in other editors. (i know several people who use vim keybindings, but don't know anywone who uses vim itself)

Re: TextMate 2.0

#60

Post by rapind »

Theodores wrote: post #45
elliotf wrote: post #39

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As an aside, I added vim and vi to the trends, which dwarf the others, but show a long and slow decline for `vi`, but a fairly steady state for `vim`. As a vim user that at times wishes he learned emacs instead of vim, emacs is an interesting trend to see: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q="...

Pode Vim, an album by Pedro Kimura is popular in Brazil. Using git with vim also seems a popular search combo. Personally I am amazed that the younger generation are keen to learn vim. I don't see why as I have gone the other way to only use phpStorm for editing in earnest. For me using vim for code instead of phpStorm is a bit like handwriting instead of typing, a definite loss of formatting and neatness. The reason…

It's available on servers. It's fast to manipulate text with. It doesn't spin up my CPU (cough electron editors). It never falls over on me. Basically it just gets out of my way.
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