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it's self evident if you ever been trough schooling, but since you want to play the evidence game let's start from a systemic study about team sport, socialization and psychological health https://ijbnpa.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1479-5868-...

If I thought the premise was self-evident, I would not have wasted my time challenging you. The review you cited covers effects of participation in team sport on physical well-being and certain markers of psychological well-being, but you claimed that sport builds character. Perhaps I assumed a different meaning from the one you intended, but when I hear people going on about sport building character, they're usually…

social skills, empathy and understanding rules in social context. I've no idea how morality got into this.

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> We let students major in theater, but not in football. Well, we usually don't call it “football” specifically, but “exercise science” or something similar is commonly available. And Baylor has “general studies”, which despite the generic name is intended to support “general career areas of health, fitness, recreation, and sport”, and that's what most of their football players major in.

I’ll also throw out that when I played (D3) football in college, the intellectual load of the sport was higher than in some of my academic classes. We’d spend an hour a day studying film, and on the field we were expected to know understand how our actions would effect multiple other parties in a system. I still think I got more (intellectually) out of college level football than I did out of intro level sociology.

Given the presumably-larger number of hours I figure you put into football vs. into intro sociology, that hardly seems surprising.

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We let students major in theater, but not in football. There's a big difference.

In fact, Alabama football team members spend far more time doing football-related things — practices, meetings, games, etc. — than any non-athlete devotes to their major subject.

Isn't that more a function of competition than necessity, though? Players who don't put in that time will be benched or cut from the team.

Regardless, I wouldn't exactly call that a virtue. The team members are dumping intense amounts of time into something (while risking literal brain damage) for a tiny chance at a place on an NFL team. Most of those players will leave the university and spend the rest of their lives not making a cent from their sport.

Not saying it's unreasonable to devote time to your passion, without expectation of monetary reward, and if football happens to be it, that's cool. But a university is a place to educate oneself, and it seems a bit sad to me to spend the majority of one's time there not actually doing that, especially when the actual use of time is unlikely to help much for their future outside of school.

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> Those schools are often actually cheaper than public schools for people without much money. While this is true on paper, it's not always the case in practice. I was able to get multiple acceptance offers to Ivy League schools, and poor enough to have the sliding scale of tuition slide all the way to $0. But all of them had an estimated cost of attendance[1] so optimistic about ancillary expenses during the school y…

If you were accepted into multiple Ivies with full financial aid you were definitely eligible for work study and student loans. Personally, I would recommend anyone in that situation to opt for the Ivy as it really does open doors later in life.

> ... and student loans

With so many students exiting college with crippling debt, I'm not sure this is still a sustainable way of paying your way. Work study can certainly help, but the pay of even a fairly skilled job will fall far, far short of the cost of tuition, room and board, textbooks, etc.

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> Why can't the American football industry run itself more like the American baseball industry? I am a very strong opponent of the overwhelming sports culture at American universities, and of the absurd sums of money spent to sustain it. (Example: Dabo Swinney was just given a $93 million contract to remain the football coach of Clemson.) This >Defenders of the current system will often claim that football is profita…

I don't mind the strong sports culture. College football has an immense history dating back to the late 1800s as an organized national collegiate activity. I'm a fan and I enjoy the history and pageantry of the sport. Athletic departments are self-funded by donations, TV rights, ticket sales, and merchandise, and they take no money that would otherwise be allocated to academics. They also can increase the brand of a…

> immense history dating back to the late 1800s

It's such an american thing to say that something just over a hundred years old has immense history. I own furniture and other stuff, which my grandparents inherited, that is probably older than that.

Sure the stuff has some history, but it's barely a few generations.

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> Why can't the American football industry run itself more like the American baseball industry? I am a very strong opponent of the overwhelming sports culture at American universities, and of the absurd sums of money spent to sustain it. (Example: Dabo Swinney was just given a $93 million contract to remain the football coach of Clemson.) This >Defenders of the current system will often claim that football is profita…

You don't buy it? But here we are... two total strangers with (presumably) no relationship to the University of Alabama, discussing the University of Alabama because of their football program that got their university into the New York Times and onto the homepage of Hacker News. I guess we can debate whether "positive" equals "positive sentiment" or "positive success in generating brand awareness." However, the fact…

Could’ve used an NYC Manhattan school for NYT not writing about their sports program. I doubt any of them have one :)

Re: Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for leaving games early

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Tuition rates for Harvard and Princeton in particular are deceptive since if you earnestly cannot afford that tuition, they don't ask you to pay it. Those schools are often actually cheaper than public schools for people without much money. Other expensive private-nonprofit schools may be another matter entirely. But those two are bad examples to use.

> Those schools are often actually cheaper than public schools for people without much money. While this is true on paper, it's not always the case in practice. I was able to get multiple acceptance offers to Ivy League schools, and poor enough to have the sliding scale of tuition slide all the way to $0. But all of them had an estimated cost of attendance[1] so optimistic about ancillary expenses during the school y…

Ancillary expenses make college hard to attend, but that's not because the school is ripping you off, it's because life is expensive. The absolute cheapest housing in Cambridge, MA is in the middle of downtown on Harvard's campus.

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If you were accepted into multiple Ivies with full financial aid you were definitely eligible for work study and student loans. Personally, I would recommend anyone in that situation to opt for the Ivy as it really does open doors later in life.

> ... and student loans With so many students exiting college with crippling debt, I'm not sure this is still a sustainable way of paying your way. Work study can certainly help, but the pay of even a fairly skilled job will fall far, far short of the cost of tuition, room and board, textbooks, etc.

This thread is about paying for books and clothes when tuition and room and board are covered by grants.

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I would not bet against the NFL. Still, the very short life of the XFL suggests to me that Americans want to see their minor league football with college branding.

College football is not a quality product. The kids are young, the vast majority aren’t going to even sniff a pro career, there are hundreds of teams to dilute all the talent and most of the games are blowouts. The entire business model is the personal connection with your school. There’s literally no other reason to watch.

The vast majority of people don't watch football for "quality product". They watch for the fun of balls moving and people hitting and picking a tribe in a competition.
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