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Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by stochastic_monk »

Miner49er wrote: post #64
hartator wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Like almost every guns are semi-automatic. Including revolvers and handguns. Making banning semi-automatic weapons in profit of handguns a non-sense.

Most (many?) leftists don't support banning guns by the way. At the very least it's widely debated on the left. The term you're looking for is "liberal" or Democrat.

The Socialist Rifle Association, for instance, consists of left-leaning individuals who like guns.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by bdamm »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62

Part of the issue with fact checkers is how charitably they are interpreting the words. For example: Weather Reporter: The sun will rise at 6 AM Tomorrow Fact Checker: False. The language talking about sun rise is implying that the sun rotates around the earth, and that has been known to astronomers to be false for centuries. In her video, Lila Rose is saying that abortion as defined as intentionally killing the fetu…

And among "other medical conditions" would sit ectopic pregnancy, which not only you cannot deliver, you cannot even allow it to get to 12 weeks or the mother could die, so no attempt at delivery would make sense. How much medical case history would need to be in a fact-checking judgement to be accepted as fact?

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by jtbayly »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62

Part of the issue with fact checkers is how charitably they are interpreting the words. For example: Weather Reporter: The sun will rise at 6 AM Tomorrow Fact Checker: False. The language talking about sun rise is implying that the sun rotates around the earth, and that has been known to astronomers to be false for centuries. In her video, Lila Rose is saying that abortion as defined as intentionally killing the fetu…

This is a helpful comment. Thank you.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by dragonwriter »

simion314 wrote: post #58
ceejayoz wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court's rightward shift under Trump is likely to have significant impact on the legality of abortion in the US.

Is Trump and his group declared anti-abortion? Would this gain more votes the one lost? I was thinking that our politicians would use a technique to say or do something controversial at convenient time so all media and public would be distracted from the actual thing happening. This smells like such a thing but it is probably what you said;

The currently-posted national Republican platform (presumably written during the 2016 election cycle, given the “current adminstration” reference) says this:

“Through Obamacare, the current Administration has promoted the notion of abortion as healthcare. We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it.” [emphasis added]

So, yeah, Trump’s “group”, stands “firmly against” abortion.

https://gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by Miner49er »

tathougies wrote: post #19
pjc50 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Going" downhill? https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack... "Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States. In some cases, a small group of clinics have been targeted multiple times."

I mean, that is terrible, but abortion clinics commit millions of murders each year according to pro-lifers, so your comment falls on deaf ears.

And fertility clinics commit even more. Yet no one talks about them.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by astine »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62

Part of the issue with fact checkers is how charitably they are interpreting the words. For example: Weather Reporter: The sun will rise at 6 AM Tomorrow Fact Checker: False. The language talking about sun rise is implying that the sun rotates around the earth, and that has been known to astronomers to be false for centuries. In her video, Lila Rose is saying that abortion as defined as intentionally killing the fetu…

"I don't know if Lila is Catholic, but a lot of her reasoning seems to fall under the "Principle of Double Effect.""

She in fact is.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by bdamm »

tathougies wrote: post #71
bdamm wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Globally? In the United States, this is not true[1]. Anti-choicers can claim whatever they want but we still shouldn't be repeating false data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...

From your own link... from 1978 to 1997, there were more than a million abortions each year. But... now that we know abortion clinics only murder a few hundred thousand, that makes them like twice as good as they used to be. That's how this works, right?

Looking at the data with compassion, I would say that access to abortion didn't result in more abortions. In fact, the opposite occurred; access to abortions appears to have reduced the abortion rate over the long term. So if you are truly pro-life, then you would want abortion to be very easy to access; this will save (prevent the "murder" as you say) babies by the millions. Obviously it isn't access alone, though, probably the real cause is that increased access to abortion comes with increased sex education and access to birth control for women, which in turn lowers the rate of unexpected pregnancies, which in turn lowers the rate of abortions. Now if only we could all agree on improving sex ed!

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by hartator »

jjulius wrote: post #79
hartator wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the burden of the proof is on you not on me. Find an anti-gun video or content that has been fact checked by FB. And you can't. All the fact checks we are seeing is against right wing content.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

It's just because you can't find any content. It will be very easy to prove I am not right on this one by pointing to one video.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by bmarquez »

Kaveren wrote: post #76
bmarquez wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan (and 8chan) have a Global Rule #1 which says you can't post anything which violates U.S. or local laws. Also trolling and racism are quarantined to /b/ I doubt there are any "anything goes" social networks in existence.

I don't know why that expression is being taken literally. Obviously if you make terroristic threats to the US government you're going to be in trouble no matter where you post. Obviously the context is given by the original submission. The point is that the attitude I was responding to is extremely entitled. You're not entitled to use Facebook. You're not entitled to post about abortion without a fact check from Fac…

Facebook may be a private company but it doesn't absolve them from criticism due to the size of their userbase and influence on society. Antitrust law may also apply since they control Instagram and Whatsapp as well.

Sure, you can post on your website (that nobody would discover), or Gab (which is blocked in Apple and Android stores), or 8chan (which is down)...but for better or worse people still use Facebook so people still complain about it.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by austincheney »

29_29 wrote: post #70

ASK HN: We really need a politics tab at the top of hackernews. Can we make that happen?

Perhaps that is not a great idea. It would be nice to have more politically volatile discussions pushed into a corner. Unfortunately, political discussions online among strangers are often less than productive.
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