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Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by CapricornNoble »

anigbrowl wrote: post #295
CapricornNoble wrote: post #272

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Two of the big problems right now are: 1. People entering the country outside of defined points of entry. We can't issue a work permit to people we don't know are here. Anduril's products are meant to address these gaps in the border, which should lead to all traffic being forced to official points of entry. 2. Illegals who commit crimes get released.[1] Sometimes released domestically, sometimes deported. Some of th…

1. people don't have an incentive to avoid ports of entry if we don't make the admissions process so draconian. 2. 'illegal' isn't a noun. These are people we're talking about. This is not a place for you to peddle your propaganda.

Agreed on your first point. The process absolutely needs reform.

To your second. It's a truncation of the term "illegal alien": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)

That's not propaganda, it's a legal term. Casting commonly accepted terms of the relevant lexicon in a political light only reveals your own political bias.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by _iyig »

mjamil wrote: post #309
_iyig wrote: post #279

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In response, I'll ask you this: how do you feel about the private ownership of assault-style rifles? Risk is relative. What’s your standard for being secure? The rifle homicide rate in the US is 0.18/100k people [0], which includes hunting and "traditional" rifles in addition to assault-style weapons. Is your standard for security measured by this metric? If so, you should feel quite good. Or is it that you’re allowi…

Wrong. I’m not bothered by privately owned assault rifles because of the homicide rate. And, this time, you went to a straw man logical fallacy. I said Fairfax was better than the rest of the US, and not a favela. So, I’ll go back to my original question: what’s your standard for feeling secure?

>Wrong. I’m not bothered by privately owned assault rifles because of the homicide rate.

Sure, and neither am I bothered by your statistics.

My standard is feeling safe when I walk late at night. I don’t feel safe when gang members dig shallow graves in the park up the road, or tag buildings in my neighborhood with gang signs, or recruit in increasing numbers from local high schools. I don’t feel safe when the police chief describes gang murders as “out of control.” [0]

Nor am I comforted when Internet strangers patronize me, and deny the validity of my own thoughts and experiences. I don’t have anything left to say to you within the HN community guidelines.

[0] https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/springfield/sites/springfield/...

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

zerr wrote: post #196
neetdeth wrote: post #176

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The "birth lottery" is a metaphysical construct. There is no such lottery, in which souls are assigned at random to bodies. Each human being is a rooted thing with a multigenerational history which is (in the typical case) deliberately created. Some stochastic variability is at work in this process, but it is by no means random. Every nation must have the right to choose the people it wishes to assimilate and those i…

Try to think in terms of individuals, not nations. As for your sovereignty - it ends outside of your condo - you can't restrict someone from Oklahoma to move to SF.

But in the physical reality that we live in, individuals don't exist "on their own", they don't exist as completely separate entities. They have a lot of personal thoughts and experiences, but they also have a lot of traits that are predetermined by their culture, family, education, nation, society values of their immediate surrounding etc. It is just not honest to only treat people as individuals when there are obviously parts of them which are decided by the nation. So that's why people think in nations.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by jobigoud »

meowface wrote: post #55
jobigoud wrote: post #45

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I'll bite because I'm ambivalent about immigration laws. Why should people that just happen to be born in a third world country live a shitty life with no way out? You can't just say they have to do a revolution in their own country, not everyone is interested in activism, why should this be the fight of their life instead of stuff they actually want to do? You were born in a nice place by sheer luck. It's unfair. I…

There's a tragedy of the commons problem. While I think there's nothing wrong with wanting to move your family from a poorer country to the US, if in theory every person who wanted to do this did do this - from every country (Latin America or otherwise) - it'd eventually become unsustainable. At least not without a huge government program to try to manage it all, which may or may not succeed. Another issue is that cr…

> it'd eventually become unsustainable.

If a sizable fraction of a country started to leave or plan on leaving, it could also force these countries to get their shit together to become more attractive and retain them. Similar to what we have now with counter-measures to brain drains.

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Post by oh_sigh »

cr0sh wrote: post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

Is it possible for a government to provide a high level of services to it's citizens while having no border?

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #223
prepend wrote: post #142

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I applaud your honesty in expressing a desire for open borders. I think culture would benefit from more open and honest discussions on this topic as all the double speak makes it frustrating and boring to discuss, normally. I’m not really very interested in borders one way or the other but national borders certainly aren’t “artificial.” There are certainly some artificial aspects (lines of longtitude, etc) but border…

> borders are also created by geography and culture If this was true we should have the right to enter any country we want as long as we align with its culture. > distinct peoples with different values Can you provide a list of values that make you suitable for your country? One could wonder: would it be ethically acceptable to run value exams on citizens and non-citizens to decide who can enter / stay / gets expelle…

> If this was true we should have the right to enter any country we want as long as we align with its culture.

It seems most people would be ok with that, yes. The question is of course of the practicality of determining someone's culture to a great extent, when there would be incentives for them to lie on the applications, interviews about their culture - if that would be the deciding factor (in some countries it is) for getting into the country or not.

> Can you provide a list of values that make you suitable for your country?

You have probably a favorite style(s) of music and other styles that you don't like. Can you really provide a list of traits of that music taste exhauistively and exactly? Probably not, and it's not because it's random. There are definitive differences in those styles, and yet it can be very hard to pinpoint them. And now we are talking about one individual, and you are asking a question about something much more complex, like a nation. Not being able to list the values exactly in all cases does not mean that there are no values or that they are meaningless or have no effect on people.

> would it be ethically acceptable to run value exams on citizens and non-citizens to decide who can enter

Some countries do that already. It might not always be in the form of simple written exam, but there are people who determine your cultural values and make a decision on whether you can stay or not depending on them.

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Post by oh_sigh »

darksaints wrote: post #187
neetdeth wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "birth lottery" is a metaphysical construct. There is no such lottery, in which souls are assigned at random to bodies. Each human being is a rooted thing with a multigenerational history which is (in the typical case) deliberately created. Some stochastic variability is at work in this process, but it is by no means random. Every nation must have the right to choose the people it wishes to assimilate and those i…

> Every nation must have the right to choose the people it wishes to assimilate and those it doesn't. I should not be allowed to go kicking in doors and demanding acceptance. This is the fundamental basis of sovereignty. I don't necessarily disagree with this notion, but it has its limits. Slavery, Jim Crow laws, Sodomy laws, and voting restrictions on females have all been reflections of sovereignty...and they were…

What if it were "we don't want poor, unskilled people"? Is that really anyone's fault either?

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Post by CapricornNoble »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #303
CapricornNoble wrote: post #238

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>>>A bit of a tangent, but how is the US/Mexico border a "defense" issue? Border security is THE most basic, fundamental responsibility of national defense. The US has just spent so frickin' long with benign powers on its land borders, and so focused on global expeditionary operations, that its border security efforts have atrophied. That said, national defense is now an over-arching term that includes a mix of law e…

No it’s not, the most basic responsibility of national defense is stopping invading armies. Or maybe it’s dealing with the other nuclear powers. Stopping people coming over the border to be residents is probably not in the top 10 of national defense priorities. Honestly, as a matter of policy I don’t think it’s even something we are trying to do since immigration is so good for GDP, and nothing else really matters as…

>>>No it’s not, the most basic responsibility of national defense is stopping invading armies.

And where do you intend to stop the invading armies, if not....at your border?

>>>Stopping people coming over the border to be residents is probably not in the top 10 of national defense priorities.

Well, let's take a look at the 2018 National Defense Strategy: https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-Nation...

Page 4, Defense Objectives, first line: -Defending the homeland from attack

That's vague enough to cover infiltration of terrorist organizations across the border.

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Post by zerr »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #247
zerr wrote: post #196

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Try to think in terms of individuals, not nations. As for your sovereignty - it ends outside of your condo - you can't restrict someone from Oklahoma to move to SF.

>>> As for your sovereignty - it ends outside of your condo Why do you have sovereignty over your condo? Why can't I express my right to sleep on your couch, regardless of your consent? If you can express access control rights over a particular piece of territory or property that you consider your own, then why can't a collective group of people also express access control rights over their common, government-managed…

To eliminate the birth lottery. Remember, we are talking about the reasons - restricting the movement of someone only because he/she was born in the "wrong" coordinates on the map (and in the "wrong" time) is simply inhuman.

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Post by IMTDb »

ddnb wrote: post #305
paulcnichols wrote: post #79

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This is indeed a really great podcast. I'm sympathetic to his points that 1) the US is falling behind and 2) that in a strong democracy policy plays a big role in shaping the technology.

Is the US regarded as a "strong democracy"? Surely some can argue just how strong, especially with the effective 2-party system. It gets repeated a lot, the US being the greatest democracy and all, but that doesn't make it true per se.

> It gets repeated a lot, the US being the greatest democracy and all

Absolutely no one is repeating that outside of the US itself

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