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Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by paggle »

tensor wrote: post #183
paggle wrote: post #21

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Name one country with better-than-average standard of living that has opened its borders and thrived. There will always be a wall around something nice — either around your house, or your neighborhood, or your country.

Canada takes in a large number of immigrants and thrives for it. Based https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migra... , we take in double what the US does.

LOL! Canada does not have even close to open borders. They have refugees and they have merit immigration which has been decried as racist in the US. Merit immigration needs a better ambassador than Trump. Perhaps Bernie Sanders.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by paggle »

drewrv wrote: post #92
paggle wrote: post #21

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Name one country with better-than-average standard of living that has opened its borders and thrived. There will always be a wall around something nice — either around your house, or your neighborhood, or your country.

The United States itself had "open borders" for a long period of time. There was mass immigration from Ireland, Italy, and many other places and it worked out quite well for us. Even today, we have "open borders" within the US. People are free to move from from poor (or poorly run) communities to places with more opportunities and it's a win-win. Similarly Europe has 26 countries in the Shengen area. Some of the coun…

At a time when there was infinite demand for unskilled labor and when relative standard of living was much lower.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by darksaints »

_iyig wrote: post #46
cr0sh wrote: post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

>So - while I would prefer a "monitored solution" to border control over physical imposing measures, my real preference would be for us to all work toward eliminating these national-level borders completely. You sound like someone with the ability to live anywhere, who consequently has little stake in their current "somewhere." Lots of Americans (and people in other countries) don't have this flexibility. They are di…

> At the same time, their rural community has been decimated by the opioid crisis. Most fentanyl in the U.S. comes in via the unsecured border with Mexico [0].

Pretend you are a border control officer and your sole objective is to stop illegal drugs from entering our borders. What situation would you rather have:

a) Thousands of peaceful people jumping the border in pickup trucks intermixed with a handful of drug smugglers and gang members.

or

b) Thousands of peaceful people lining up at a border checkpoint or consulate, with a handful of drug smugglers and gang members jumping the border in pickup trucks.

You should try legalizing more immigration. It gives us more control over the process and more selectivity and enforcement capability, not less.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by i_am_nomad »

woah wrote: post #167
prepend wrote: post #142

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I applaud your honesty in expressing a desire for open borders. I think culture would benefit from more open and honest discussions on this topic as all the double speak makes it frustrating and boring to discuss, normally. I’m not really very interested in borders one way or the other but national borders certainly aren’t “artificial.” There are certainly some artificial aspects (lines of longtitude, etc) but border…

You're mistaken about borders being some kind of fact of human nature, and you're mistaken about different countries having some kind of fundamental "different cultures". Nation states are an invention of the last few hundred years. Before that, kingdoms had borders between the lands they controlled militarily, and while they would certainly stop an invading army, they didn't have the administrative capacity or desir…

I’m always amused when people dismiss something because it is merely “an invention of the past few hundred years.”

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Post by zerr »

neetdeth wrote: post #176
zerr wrote: post #159

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The thing is, everyone should have a right to change countries/cultures as they want - it shouldn't be determined by the birth lottery.

The "birth lottery" is a metaphysical construct. There is no such lottery, in which souls are assigned at random to bodies. Each human being is a rooted thing with a multigenerational history which is (in the typical case) deliberately created. Some stochastic variability is at work in this process, but it is by no means random. Every nation must have the right to choose the people it wishes to assimilate and those i…

Try to think in terms of individuals, not nations. As for your sovereignty - it ends outside of your condo - you can't restrict someone from Oklahoma to move to SF.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by darksaints »

ng12 wrote: post #170
nraynaud wrote: post #166

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Countries should not remain the same. Stealing all this land from California to Texas from Mexico was absolutely not about leaving the country the same. Expelling the Latinos from there was certainly not about conservation of the then current state of affairs, it was a social adventure. Moreover the US actually had more or less open borders for a long time, calling into some kind of date at which its society should b…

> Moreover the US actually had more or less open borders for a long time Well, what's changed is that the US is rich and traveling is pretty easy.

Moving to the US doesn't make you rich though, it merely gives you a better opportunity to become so. That has never changed.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by [deleted] »

woah wrote: post #167
prepend wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I applaud your honesty in expressing a desire for open borders. I think culture would benefit from more open and honest discussions on this topic as all the double speak makes it frustrating and boring to discuss, normally. I’m not really very interested in borders one way or the other but national borders certainly aren’t “artificial.” There are certainly some artificial aspects (lines of longtitude, etc) but border…

You're mistaken about borders being some kind of fact of human nature, and you're mistaken about different countries having some kind of fundamental "different cultures". Nation states are an invention of the last few hundred years. Before that, kingdoms had borders between the lands they controlled militarily, and while they would certainly stop an invading army, they didn't have the administrative capacity or desir…

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Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by neetdeth »

zerr wrote: post #196
neetdeth wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "birth lottery" is a metaphysical construct. There is no such lottery, in which souls are assigned at random to bodies. Each human being is a rooted thing with a multigenerational history which is (in the typical case) deliberately created. Some stochastic variability is at work in this process, but it is by no means random. Every nation must have the right to choose the people it wishes to assimilate and those i…

Try to think in terms of individuals, not nations. As for your sovereignty - it ends outside of your condo - you can't restrict someone from Oklahoma to move to SF.

I prefer to think in terms of nations.

There is no such thing as a sovereign individual. Unless you refer to the Libertarian cranks hassling cops on YouTube.

In practice, nations can restrict people from moving if they choose to. Perhaps mine won't, but China certainly will.

The reason, by the way, that Oklahoma and California can't restrict migration between them is that US states are not sovereign. The original colonies ceded essential parts of their sovereignty to form a national federal government. This is US history 101.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by stordoff »

prepend wrote: post #142
cr0sh wrote: post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

I applaud your honesty in expressing a desire for open borders. I think culture would benefit from more open and honest discussions on this topic as all the double speak makes it frustrating and boring to discuss, normally. I’m not really very interested in borders one way or the other but national borders certainly aren’t “artificial.” There are certainly some artificial aspects (lines of longtitude, etc) but border…

Incidentally, the EU also provides examples of where the borders are completely arbitrary. Consider the border at Baarle-Hertog/Baarle-Nassau:

> The town is the site of a complicated borderline between Belgium and Netherlands, with numerous small exclaves of Belgium, of which some contain counter-exclaves of the Netherlands.

> Some houses in the town of Baarle-Hertog/Baarle-Nassau are divided between the two countries. At one time, according to Dutch laws restaurants had to close earlier. For some restaurants on the border, this simply meant that the customers had to move to a table on the Belgian side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Nassau / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog

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