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The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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post #27

Honest question: How do people lock these things if visiting a shop for a half-hour? (Edited to add: Sorry for confusion! I'm talking about an owned model like the one in OP, the Xiaomi Mi M365 - I looked at some product imagery and it wasn't clear if this was possible.)

There's a "Lock" button in the app. If you press that, the scooter doesn't allow anyone else to start using it, but you still pay per minute that you aren't using it.

Though if you're in a popular area there is no need, you can just walk a minute or less and find another.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. If you walk a mile to the transit station at the beginning and walk a mile at the end, that's 40 minutes of travel time before you even factor in the bus/train trip. Of course, walking is to be encouraged where practical, but it has a very short effective range compared to a bike or scooter. Scooters and bikes drastically extend the effective reach of transit s…

>Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. Maybe if you are crawling. Thats 3 miles an hour.

Factor in stop lights and other holdups, sounds like a good estimate to me. Now let us be generous and say 15min, thats still an extra 30min thus TulliusCicero's point still stands.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. If you walk a mile to the transit station at the beginning and walk a mile at the end, that's 40 minutes of travel time before you even factor in the bus/train trip. Of course, walking is to be encouraged where practical, but it has a very short effective range compared to a bike or scooter. Scooters and bikes drastically extend the effective reach of transit s…

>Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. Maybe if you are crawling. Thats 3 miles an hour.

That's indeed the average adult walking speed.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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post #2

The last mile has been solved? Now we simply need to make the 50-75 miles in-between more bearable. Hopefully, someday soon we’ll be covering that vast distance at the incredible speed of 100 mph (160 kph) https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/china-driverless-maglev-t...

> Now we simply need to make the 50-75 miles in-between more bearable. Mine is 15 miles, and the problem is stops (which top speed does nothing to address).

You're being a little vague so it's impossible to analyze.

However, if your average speed is 25 mph and the average doubled to 50 mph, I'm sure you'd be happy. With maglevs, we'd probably want more express trains.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. If you walk a mile to the transit station at the beginning and walk a mile at the end, that's 40 minutes of travel time before you even factor in the bus/train trip. Of course, walking is to be encouraged where practical, but it has a very short effective range compared to a bike or scooter. Scooters and bikes drastically extend the effective reach of transit s…

>Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. Maybe if you are crawling. Thats 3 miles an hour.

Figuring in traffic lights, this is pretty close, even as a fast walker.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. If you walk a mile to the transit station at the beginning and walk a mile at the end, that's 40 minutes of travel time before you even factor in the bus/train trip. Of course, walking is to be encouraged where practical, but it has a very short effective range compared to a bike or scooter. Scooters and bikes drastically extend the effective reach of transit s…

>Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. Maybe if you are crawling. Thats 3 miles an hour.

Have you ever measured how fast you walk? I walk a couple miles every morning at an okay pace with my dog and I still average about 17 minutes a mile.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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It's probably the best solution for you. Please let other people decide what's best for them.

It's not just about choice, it's a safety issue. https://www.consumerreports.org/product-safety/deaths-tied-t... > Earlier this year, a CR investigation—which tabulated injuries from 110 hospitals in 47 U.S. cities—found that at least 1,500 riders had been injured since e-scooters were introduced in late 2017, and there were four fatalities. Since then, CR has identified an additional four deaths.

Okay, and? Raw death numbers, without corresponding usage numbers, are kind of useless. More people die as pedestrians, or in cars, than on scooters after all. Deaths/mile or deaths/hour would both allow some sort of real comparison.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

#38
I rode a non-electric kick scooter (Xootr) for three years working in downtown SF. It is by far the best form of transitional transport there is and superior to bikes for 99% of actual real world travel. It was easily 4-5 times faster than walking and more importantly suddenly made the entire city open due to how insanely efficient it was for "glueing" together various forms of public transport. I could hop from transport hub to transport hub insanely quickly and the entire system suddenly worked in a way that did not happen with walking or biking. Some people say walk, but it's too slow and a 1/2 mile "walk" section on a complicated transport route would be impractical on foot. Biking is fast enough for long trips but massively inconvenient for quick trips to a store or park or restaurant. A scooter on the other hand could be with me all day, I can take it into the store with me, I can take it on the bus. Transition cost from arrival to getting on the bus or walking into a store was seconds instead of minutes with a bike. The scooter had tons of upsides and the only downside was, at the time, that it was kind of embarrassing to be seen on. People talk to much about the "last-mile" as if the only travel people do is on massive transport corridors to and from work. The scooter solves the transport mesh, the hops and transitions of actual day-to-day living.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

#39
I recently bought a Boosted rev and have been using it for my 1.8 miles commute. I strongly disagree with the author's 15mph limit. I think 25 mph is a more reasonable limit, otherwise you have cars aggressively trying to pass you on roads. At 24 mph (my scooters max speed), the cars on my commute (25mph speed limit), still try to pass me sometimes but it's a lot safer.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

#40
post #4

Isn't the best solution for "last mile" for all of us is to walk it?

Walking is slow. Walking a mile takes around 20 minutes. If you walk a mile to the transit station at the beginning and walk a mile at the end, that's 40 minutes of travel time before you even factor in the bus/train trip. Of course, walking is to be encouraged where practical, but it has a very short effective range compared to a bike or scooter. Scooters and bikes drastically extend the effective reach of transit s…

There's also the issue of weather. Many of us live in places where it rains, heavily and frequently. Or it's extremely hot and humid and the result of walking is that you arrive at your destination soaked in sweat.

I love to get out and walk in my neighborhood whenever possible, but walking even half a mile in the summer heat in Atlanta in work appropriate clothing is going to wreck your appearance.

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