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Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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I'm glad they're approaching it in a way beyond just "make everything more expensive". It's interesting how when it comes to climate change, a lot of the same people who are otherwise committed to egalitarian ideals immediately jump to "just charge more" as a solution for everything. I'm not saying those kind of policies can't be a piece of the solution, but I really don't see it being effective to tell all but the r…

"Just make it more expensive" is the right answer to overtourism!

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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post #24

Currently living in Barcelona, where 'overtourism' is a much bigger problem than in Norway IMHO, it feels weird. You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit. The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power. Edit: Removed "At the risk of being downvoted" as some comment…

Yea it’s a funny word “overtourism”. I guess it’s what you call it when other people go on vacation (whereas when I go on vacation it’s just “tourism”). :P

If it's you, then it's a 'traveler' or a 'wonderlust'. The rest of the world are simply 'tourists'.

It all comes down to the question "who do you think you are to block my path?" It's not a straightforward answer, though. We've been struggling to answer this as human beings since forever.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Whenever I hear about "sustainable tourism" developments like Ousland's, I can't help but think about the huge amount of emissions caused by people getting there in the first place. I bet the vast majority of visitors fly into Tromsø. It feels a bit like painting the walls while the house is falling down around you.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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There's no silver bullet. Tackling overtourism means limiting the number of tourists. One way to do that is to impose high enough prices.

Alternatively we could try to make them not all go to the same few spots, ie make more spots tourist friendly.

With the current state of the environment I think that keeping areas that do not see many people that way is more important than indulging people's desire for holidays.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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post #24

Currently living in Barcelona, where 'overtourism' is a much bigger problem than in Norway IMHO, it feels weird. You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit. The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power. Edit: Removed "At the risk of being downvoted" as some comment…

There have been a lot of reasons put forward to justify Brexit, this is the first time I’ve heard tourism used as an excuse.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then only the wealthy may have holidays.

You cannot limit the number of visitors and let everyone have this sort of holidays. The most beneficial way to limit the number of visitors for local communities is to increase prices. If they want to reserve a number of places for people to be able to visit at a low(er) cost (e.g. through a lottery) then good for them, but there is no entitlement to go on holidays to others' countries or to unique places.

>The most beneficial way to limit the number of visitors for local communities is to increase prices. //

Can you expand on that, it doesn't seem self-evident to me.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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post #24

Currently living in Barcelona, where 'overtourism' is a much bigger problem than in Norway IMHO, it feels weird. You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit. The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power. Edit: Removed "At the risk of being downvoted" as some comment…

So, just ignore the problem? That doesn't help.

No. My point is that it's a difficult problem, one that isn't solved by building a wall, be it literally or bureaucratically.

My criticism is that this problem is hard. Should we do nothing instead? No. Just think harder.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then only the wealthy may have holidays.

Holidays doesn't mean "travelling to another country in a plane" or "let's take a credit to tour Italy".

Quite true but if some can and some can’t the social class implications will be picked up on very fast, whether the reason is money or political connections.

Re: Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism

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post #24

Currently living in Barcelona, where 'overtourism' is a much bigger problem than in Norway IMHO, it feels weird. You start passing bills on restricting tourism, then the natural next step is being hard on immigration, then Brexit. The ability to control who goes in and who goes out usually falls on the hand of those that shouldn't have that kind of power. Edit: Removed "At the risk of being downvoted" as some comment…

There have been a lot of reasons put forward to justify Brexit, this is the first time I’ve heard tourism used as an excuse.

Not at all. What I meant was that Brexit mentality comes from the idea that you are entitled to decide who comes into "your country" and who doesn't. I lean towards a freer movement, but I understand that others lean towards the opposite, and it's fine. My main argument is that countries are just political constructions, and tourists may leave a destructive footprint wherever they go because they don't feel that land is "theirs".

It's a weird issue.

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