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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by thelittleone » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:22 PM UTC

rythie wrote: post #888

aguzzi94 wrote: post #792

Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

Apple stuff lasts, this is not an Apple issue, any of those phones would have been good for several years. I'm only my 3rd iPhone in 9 years (soon to replace it though). Also 3rd iPad in 9 years. My Macbook Air is from 2012. Apple do software updates going quite far back. A lot of Apple's hardware looks exactly the same from generation to generation, so even if you updated, how would anyone know? If customers want to…

The 2016+ 15" Macbook Pro is at least one very clear exception. Mine has had keyboard (which includes logic board) replaced several times. Screen replaced 3 times. Brand new replacement unit once. Now getting intermittent black screens every 5 mins or so. I paid for an Apple but I got a lemon.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by SKADAD » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

aguzzi94 wrote: post #939

b3b0p wrote: post #915

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Here I am with an iPhone 6 still. It plays music, like my iPod did. As well as podcasts. I don't use any apps otherwise that don't come with it from Apple. On the rare occasion someone decides to call me it answers, sometimes (it's slow to answer, but after 3 retries, sometimes the first). I try to answer text messages on my Mac with Messages.app. It's easier to type. Not sure I want to upgrade. I was planning on it.…

My iPhone 6s, with its weird turning off and on randomly at times and other funky behaviors, was (and will always be) my favorite phone I ever owned! I'm not joking :)

Same, still have mine since release. My only issue is the battery but that's cheaply replaced. I'm still deciding if i should upgrade or try to push another year or two with it.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by cheeko1234 » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

lazyjones wrote: post #802

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #778

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Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle. But, it will happen in increments and for all the above features to be available in one smartphone which is affordable, will take another 3-4 years and hence my OP comment that current generation is done. Edit: 1TB

> Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle. These are all nice, but I'd rather have thin AR glasses powered by the phone's CPU/GPU at some point. Might fix the smombie infestation, too.

Your comment made me research what happened to Google glasses and I found this:

https://www.google.com/glass/tech-specs/

Why are these not available to the public?!? Because of the Google glass PR disaster?

I think that's probably the reason Apple decided not to take a risk with their version:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/apple-ar-glasses-cancel...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by MaupitiBlue » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

oldboyFX wrote: post #789

Tepix wrote: post #782

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> Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years Agreed. Even a Xiaomi Mi A2 with Android One for 130-150€ is almost on par with these high end phones that cost eight times as much: It's fast enough. It has a gorgeous display. It has a decent camera and it has up-to-date software. In these times of diminishing returns it's amazing that Apple…

I doubt many people are buying iPhones for extra privacy.

I am.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by alistairSH » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

davnicwil wrote: post #879

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

> Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos are shared would compress them anyways Strongly agree, and the reason for that is that is that level of quality is good enough for the 99.99% use case of photography and anything above is simply a waste of storage space. If you are actually a professional artist, it matters. If you're doing computer vision, it matters. For the ot…

Agree and disagree.

Yes, the chips and sensors used in modern phone cameras are ridiculously good for the size and cost. And phone cameras started replacing budget and mid-price P&S cameras years ago.

But, Apple's move to a triple camera set-up is really compelling. Not only has the phone replaced the average P&S, it's now replacing higher end P&S. The main argument for a separate P&S these days is a zoom lens. Apple just made that argument moot (superzooms notwithstanding). You can now take landscape, snapshot, and portrait photos natively on the camera without stitching or cropping. That's amazing. Or, at least I think so.

I was considering replacing my wife's older Canon S90 P&S with a new Sony RX100 IV. I probably won't bother - I'll just replace her iPhone 8 with an 11 Pro.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by ajmurmann » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:41 PM UTC

127 wrote: post #913

rythie wrote: post #888

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Apple stuff lasts, this is not an Apple issue, any of those phones would have been good for several years. I'm only my 3rd iPhone in 9 years (soon to replace it though). Also 3rd iPad in 9 years. My Macbook Air is from 2012. Apple do software updates going quite far back. A lot of Apple's hardware looks exactly the same from generation to generation, so even if you updated, how would anyone know? If customers want to…

The phones from 2012 would still be perfectly functional if the software didn't come with increasingly ridiculous performance requirements. What's the reason for the upgrade? Camera? With the ability to easily swap batteries, and more efficiently written software, nobody would have to really update their phones. Which is why I guess most batteries are now integrated. It's a terribly waste just for corporate profits a…

You can have the batteries swapped out though. I had the battery on my 6S replaced twice. The first time I got it for free because of the degraded performance issue and even the second time was very well priced ($60??) and have the phone a new wind. However, now the power connector had become very loose and disconnects randomly when moved wrong. I probably could have that fixed as well for cheap, but want the new camera. On my recent vacation I took almost no photos because I wanted my wife to take all the good shots with her XR Max. I'm on the fence though because I use ApplePay a lot and cannot imagine using that with FaceId and I also am somewhat attached to the audio jack. I don't want to carry headphones for my phone and another set for my Switch when on a long trip.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by knd775 » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 2:57 PM UTC

martijn_himself wrote: post #891

So the iPhone and iPad line-up look fine to me. Nothing exciting, but it doesn't have to be if you are upgrading every 2-3 years and you are a fan of Apple's tight integration of software and hardware. The most worrying is the state of the App Store, a graveyard of abandoned apps and games. Apple Arcade looks like it will be such a missed opportunity. Why can I not develop full-fledged iPad apps on my iPad Pro? The A…

Android as a platform grew enough for developers to justify making proper apps for it. Apple still has a slight edge in overall quality, but I'm not sure it's worth highlighting anymore.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by aguzzi94 » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 3:11 PM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #956

127 wrote: post #913

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The phones from 2012 would still be perfectly functional if the software didn't come with increasingly ridiculous performance requirements. What's the reason for the upgrade? Camera? With the ability to easily swap batteries, and more efficiently written software, nobody would have to really update their phones. Which is why I guess most batteries are now integrated. It's a terribly waste just for corporate profits a…

You can have the batteries swapped out though. I had the battery on my 6S replaced twice. The first time I got it for free because of the degraded performance issue and even the second time was very well priced ($60??) and have the phone a new wind. However, now the power connector had become very loose and disconnects randomly when moved wrong. I probably could have that fixed as well for cheap, but want the new cam…

Pro tip: 95% of the problems with the power connectors are due to dust trapped inside the charge hole. Yes, there is a lot of dust in there, even if you can't see it. No worries though. You can solve that problem in 2 minutes. Here's how: 1 take a clip, or something similar (thin and rigid) and use it to dig out the dust from the connector hole in your phone 2 be surprised at how much dust you actually find 3 keep digging out the dust 4 your phone is as new! Try charging it and you will see that it won't disconnect randomly anymore. Hope it helps :) p.s: We charge 10-15 euros for that in the store, and obviously don't tell how easily we got it fixed to the customer. I know, it's funny and infuriating.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by TheKarateKid » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 3:30 PM UTC

127 wrote: post #913

rythie wrote: post #888

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Apple stuff lasts, this is not an Apple issue, any of those phones would have been good for several years. I'm only my 3rd iPhone in 9 years (soon to replace it though). Also 3rd iPad in 9 years. My Macbook Air is from 2012. Apple do software updates going quite far back. A lot of Apple's hardware looks exactly the same from generation to generation, so even if you updated, how would anyone know? If customers want to…

The phones from 2012 would still be perfectly functional if the software didn't come with increasingly ridiculous performance requirements. What's the reason for the upgrade? Camera? With the ability to easily swap batteries, and more efficiently written software, nobody would have to really update their phones. Which is why I guess most batteries are now integrated. It's a terribly waste just for corporate profits a…

> What's the reason for the upgrade? Camera?

I’m convinced that the camera quality degrades as the phone gets older/more used. What convinced me was my mom receiving a brand new 6S replacement from Apple and seeing the major camera improvement even though her broken 6S was in mint condition.

Can anyone provide some insight to this? It took years of speculation for us to learn our slower OS/battery concerns were real. I’m wondering if this is next.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 3:45 PM UTC

vxNsr wrote: post #896

masklinn wrote: post #275

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On a 6S myself but it's in dire need of replacement (survived multiple drops fine, but a flip on my desk broke the glass and now it's progressively getting worse). The 11 looked like a fine-ish option (with a 128GB version), but god it's half an inch wider and taller again, and 30% heavier. I guess I'm getting an 8.

Just FYI: Your options are 64gb, 256gb, 512gb. It honestly doesn't seem likely that they'll change that anytime soon as I haven't heard a single person complain about storage in the last 3 years. While nobody felt that 8/16/32gb was enough. I happen to be using 50gb atm, on a 3.5 year old phone. But the new cameras have higher resolution photos which take up more space. Plus apps are only ever getting bigger, So I wo…

> Just FYI: Your options are 64gb, 256gb, 512gb.

That's the 11P, the 11 is 64/128/256. And the 8 is 64/128.

> I haven't heard a single person complain about storage in the last 3 years. While nobody felt that 8/16/32gb was enough.

I've been on 128 since I bought a 6S. I'm using about 80GB currently.

> the new cameras have higher resolution photos which take up more space.

That's a concern for people who use cameras and keep pictures long-term. I've got 2GB of photos on my phone. I really couldn't care less about the camera.