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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by noneckbeard »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #822
noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

> It’s not that big a deal... Climate change is a big deal. Electronic waste pollution is a big deal. Apple breaking labor laws is a big deal.

Those are all fair points, and I agree with you on each of them! But they have to do with buying new things in general, not the new iPhone specifically.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by paggle »

kmlx wrote: post #819
aguzzi94 wrote: post #792

Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

"This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window" for some people, a dinner out costs $2k. that is why you should never judge your clients. same thing for the other gentleman. you don't know their stories, or their backgrounds.

I know that nobody should be stretching themselves financially thin for a newer iPhone. Unless it’s something like an app developer needing to buy a test phone, which this clearly wasn’t.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by masklinn »

dole wrote: post #392
masklinn wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains the lack of a 128GB option… not at all.

I've always felt it's just clever marketing, feast or famine. Remove the Goldilocks/mid-grade option and let the customer regret not spending enough.

> clever marketing

It's more asshole design than clever.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by antpls »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

To me it seems the hardware innovation shifted from Apple to Google & Asia.

Google is hot with the ML train, they develop and release new state-of-the-art algorithms and improve all aspects of smartphone (videos, pictures, batteries, actions, gestures, keyboards, biometry, security, ...).

On the Asia side, companies are the first to release foldable phones. They are already acquiring user feedbacks and cost insights for the next generation of foldable phone, and Google is a supporting partner, with Android 10 embracing those new phones with new APIs.

I'm looking forward for foldable phones improvements and more Google magic

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by ubercow13 »

avl999 wrote: post #803
noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

> fastest phone Are folks running ML training algorithms on their phones? Why does one need the "fastest phone"? How many apps are there for which how fast your phone is even matters? I am not saying people shouldn't buy these phones but the pricing on these things is absolutely insane, it seems people are basically paying an Apple tax on these devices. Even high end devices from other manufacturers are not priced th…

Would you like to see how slow youtube loads on my three year old i7 laptop? Or my two year old cheap Android? Speed makes a big difference

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by richardknop »

paggle wrote: post #842
kmlx wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window" for some people, a dinner out costs $2k. that is why you should never judge your clients. same thing for the other gentleman. you don't know their stories, or their backgrounds.

I know that nobody should be stretching themselves financially thin for a newer iPhone. Unless it’s something like an app developer needing to buy a test phone, which this clearly wasn’t.

How do you know he was stretching himself financially? Perhaps he was rich and 1000 euros was not much money to him.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by Jonnerz »

richardknop wrote: post #846
paggle wrote: post #842

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that nobody should be stretching themselves financially thin for a newer iPhone. Unless it’s something like an app developer needing to buy a test phone, which this clearly wasn’t.

How do you know he was stretching himself financially? Perhaps he was rich and 1000 euros was not much money to him.

He signed up to a 20 month payment plan?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by icemelt8 »

coldtea wrote: post #818
aguzzi94 wrote: post #792

Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

> I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to switch the XR for an XSmax adding 400 euros more or less. This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window. Sou…

Those "tons" are a minority, most people immediately upgrade.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by wastedhours »

zaarn wrote: post #740
jimbokun wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Pro" has been pretty useful, I think, as a marker in Apple's other product lines. "MacBook Pro" and "iPad Pro" are the ones you buy if you need it for work, because the increased price will pay for itself with increased productivity. But buy the "Air" or basic versions if you are primarily using it for more basic tasks and media consumption. Not sure the "Pro" distinction will hold up for iPhone, though. I guess it…

I don't think any professional photographers will give up their DSLRs or Mirrorless/System Cameras in favor of an image sensor smaller than their fingernails.

However, with the growth of more organic looking content on social media, there are a lot of other types of "pros" using iPhones daily for commercial content creation.

Where I work, for example, the social media team are looking to buy an iPhone for IG Story content, as well as internal videos.

Whilst it obviously won't replace a pro photographer's equipment for static, paid shoots, it will be used often in a "pro" setting.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by wastedhours »

spike021 wrote: post #270
neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

"Pro" probably works great to bring in people trying to elevate their social media quality. It doesn't necessarily mean (in Apple's marketing terminology) actual, legitimate professional industry anymore. I'd imagine people getting into vlogging and such, or even people who just want to be "that cool and popular" (especially younger people) that would buy in to the "Pro" moniker.

> It doesn't necessarily mean (in Apple's marketing terminology) actual, legitimate professional industry

I made the point elsewhere, but I think that ignores "professionals in the workplace doing this alongside other things". These can easily be "pro" for content creation teams, like editorial staff for capturing Stories from events and the like.

Just because they're not replacements for high-end commercial photography equipment doesn't mean they're not being used as intended by professionals.

Completely agree that their terminology might be skewing, but I wouldn't be so dismissive of their use in a professional context, even if the users aren't "photography professionals" themselves.

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