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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by lelima »

aguzzi94 wrote: post #792

Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

> "Then we tried with 20 months one. Finally, accepted"

The social pressure for having "an old phone" most have been incredibly high.

Something like that happen to me on university, I had a 5 years old phone with no Whatsapp/Blackberry chat. It made me feel so left behind and even sad sometimes.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

> It’s not that big a deal...

Climate change is a big deal. Electronic waste pollution is a big deal. Apple breaking labor laws is a big deal.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by agumonkey »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

You can almost generalize to computers. It's still crazy the pace of pocket hardware has gone through. But these machines have more oomph than a pixar workstation in the 90s, the vast majority of the users will never even need 50% of that.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by WilliamEdward »

aguzzi94 wrote: post #792

Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

It's kind of sad really. Businesses prey on the human condition and there's nothing we can do about it because, well, Apple's not really breaking the law and we all like good cellphones.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by agumonkey »

bigbluedots wrote: post #816

This is becoming a parody of where smartphones are up to. Retina display (which was supposed to have higher resolution than can be discerned by the retina) is not enough, now you need Super Retina XYZ! Want a great camera? Two isn't enough, now you need three of them! Oh, and it's fully AI accelarated!

methink the next game will light sensing display that can be both showing and recording (maybe not at the same time)

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by coldtea »

jayd16 wrote: post #732
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

I find is pretty silly to say smartphone hardware is done when Apple is still sporting a notch.

There's nothing about sporting a notch that's problematic, except when it comes to OCD.

If it didn't have the notch it would just have a larger bezel on a side, or some BS like a popup camera.

The "camera behind screen" idea barely works (for obvious reasons), and is hardly what would revolutionize mobile hardware. It's an aesthetic concern, not a functional one.

Things that might do that, larger camera sensors (e.g. 1"), week or more long batteries, total voice control, etc.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by coldtea »

moksly wrote: post #759
jayd16 wrote: post #732

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find is pretty silly to say smartphone hardware is done when Apple is still sporting a notch.

I think the notch is a lot less annoying than the weight. Maybe I have small weak hands, but I feel a physical strain from using my iPhone XS. Unfortunately you can’t seem to buy a new SE around here.

That would hardly be the weight, since it's quite (to very much) less than older phones we all used in the 90s and 00s, and early 10s...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by ramraj07 »

Cort3z wrote: post #729
ineedasername wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I never really understood the need to chase the newest flagship given the premium price. I probably upgrade about once a year to 18 months, and purchasing the prior model flagship saves me about 60% to 70%. I upgraded to the pixel 2xl shortly after the 3 came out for about $260. Even being able to afford it I just feel I'm getting ripped off at $1000.

You then pay somewhere around 175 to 260 usd per year for your phone. The newest iPhones are about $1000. From my experience, and from others, they last a very long time, and a 4 year cycle can be expected, as well as passing the phones on to their kids and so on. There is also the possibility to sell it used down the line, and the iPhones keep their value much better than any Android phone. Thus the "expensive" iPho…

Mostly sound logic and I switched to the iPhone 5 years back after a similar calculation. Only, the 6s started becoming wonky in 3 years and I most definitely missed _some_ Android features.

When it was time to upgrade, it apparently also became time for apple to jack up the price of their flagship to a thousand bucks and I just vehemently avoided that out of principle.

Looking at alternatives,the Galaxy seemed like a reasonably similar premium (not polished software fosho) phone, but sticker price was similar to iPhones. However thos things go on sale a lot. Nabbed a S9 few months after release for 500 and looks like it'll last me three years at least. Super happy with the hardware (and software actually) as well.

The only "flaw" in your logic above is that in principle an iPhone probably can last 4 years but that's not constant - models from them are sometimes just not as reliable (we talking 4 year reliability vs 3) and it's not just a thousand dollars, it's thousand and tax and bells and whistles (which for apple is always more). Plus you now have a premium phone that you better don't break or scratch (if you want to sell) or you're out a very large number of Benjamins.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by coldtea »

paggle wrote: post #787
jayd16 wrote: post #732

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find is pretty silly to say smartphone hardware is done when Apple is still sporting a notch.

I mean the notch is basically the symptom of having gone into anti-feature territory. Removal of headphone jack, removal of physical home button, removal of TouchID for face recognition that is much slower, removal of 3D Touch... the iPhone 20 at this rate will just be a slab of metal.

>of having gone into anti-feature territory

Headphone jack, sure. But after face ID / full screen, I wouldn't go back to home button and touchID if they'd paid me...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by ubercow13 »

avl999 wrote: post #798
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

> Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Yep. I have a BLU smartphone that I bought for $55 bucks off of Amazon. It literally d…

I use my phone so much now that all the actual differences in a more expensive device are significant. Even with the Pro ones it’s a bit like buying a mechanical keyboard. Does it really do anything a £3 OEM keyboard doesn’t? My phone was about the same price as my 3 year old i7 laptop and the processor is faster. It’s a more useful device to me.
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