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Post by baddox »

gwd wrote: post #340
baddox wrote: post #302

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People are almost certainly asking for thinner phones. A very small portion of people probably would prefer a thicker phone with a larger battery, but I strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of people prefer phones that are as thin as possible with enough battery life for an average day's usage, with the option of carrying an external battery pack for the times when more battery life will be necessary. I am…

> People are almost certainly asking for thinner phones. Are they? Almost everyone I know has a case on their phone; and I didn't have one until I bought the iPhone XS, which is over $1k and has glass on both sides . I mean, don't get me wrong; I like the capabilities of the new iPhones. But the current design means that what most people actually use not the slick shiny slimness you see in Apple promotional materials…

> Almost everyone I know has a case on their phone

I don't think people put cases on their phone to make them thicker. I think they use cases to increase durability. Making the phone itself thinner means that the phone in a case will also be thinner, so that's perfectly compatible with the claim that people prefer thinner phones.

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Post by clairity »

jl6 wrote: post #86

This thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway? I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.

but this really was the least exciting iphone keynote ever, which was totally expected, but still disappointing. none of the more interesting rumors came about, like ultra-wideband positioning* and apple tags.

apple product cycles have lengthened, so this was inevitably going to be a lower-the-base-price and harvest-the-late-adopters year for the notch model era. i think apple may even keep the same style next year to introduce 5g (to reduce additional manufacturing challenges) and settle into a 4-year cycle so they can really milk the capex (which is what happened to macbook pros as the product line matured).

i’m still happily using my 6s.

* edit: apparently i missed the part where they talked about the U1 chip in the new iphones, which does the UWB positioning.

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Post by idlewords »

cactus2093 wrote: post #373
Flavius wrote: post #2

This is probably the least interesting new iPhone ever released.

To each their own. The improvements in computational photography like automatically stitching a few pictures together for higher resolution and night mode are pretty incredible. And the improved dynamic range, resolution, and added wide angle lens are nice improvements. I've updated every 2 years for the past 8 years or so -- even back then I never felt the need to upgrade the very next year, but by 2 years out I've…

The stitching feature is vaporware.

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Post by bredren »

dmix wrote: post #253
endorphone wrote: post #166

These sorts of threads appear for every announcement. I chuckled seeing another user claim that it wasn't exciting because they didn't have something like Animojis to announce, that feature being a desperate "please try to buy this phone we're trying to justify this awkward face unlock thing". It's an incremental update that also brings huge new features to the "low priced" version. And it'll do great.

Yep, cell phones have reached peak feature-dom and this iPhone X style design is excellent. We don't need new fancy bells attached to it just for the sake of it. Just make it incrementally better and faster, without messing up what was good about it previously.

I agree the product is in polishing stage, improving existing ideas and features rather than introducing new ones.

The focus internally is on the next leap forward, presumably an AR device.

If you go back and look at the iPod release history [1] between 2005 and 2007, (first iPhone released June '07) you can see a similar incremental improvements, specifically in software enhancements, improved form factor and longer battery life.

I believe the difference between then and now is that the Watch and iPhone are production testing grounds for hardware that will be used in an AR product. In this way the new product is being developed in the open.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Classic

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Post by nicky0 »

preek wrote: post #361

My browser has a count of 124 "PRO"s in the article[1], yet I gave up finding any information on how to earn money with an iPhone. I thought that's what professionals are supposed to do/be. I think that's also what the original Macbook Pros were about. Seems to me that the semantics behind the word is changing. Don't know what it is supposed to mean now, though. Of course it is the best iPhone ever made. It's the mos…

In Apple land Pro simply means the best one. Get used to it.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

nanoservices wrote: post #171
dan-robertson wrote: post #74

Perhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.

I'd rather they make the back uniform thickness so the camera bump is eliminated. Take the extra space for a larger battery. No one is asking for thinner phones but quite a lot of people would love phones with better battery life.

Most people would not want this because people use plastic cases to improve drop performance (to the chagrin of Apple). A case on a uniform thickness phone shadows light and makes ultra-wide angle optics more challenging.

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Post by nofunsir »

preek wrote: post #361

My browser has a count of 124 "PRO"s in the article[1], yet I gave up finding any information on how to earn money with an iPhone. I thought that's what professionals are supposed to do/be. I think that's also what the original Macbook Pros were about. Seems to me that the semantics behind the word is changing. Don't know what it is supposed to mean now, though. Of course it is the best iPhone ever made. It's the mos…

Some of those are imPROvements and PROvides. Search for whole words gives 69. Still.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

davnicwil wrote: post #325
hrktb wrote: post #279

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“Pro” is not just for productivity but comfort of use as well. As an analogy if you sit on a chair 8 hours a day you’ll want a super nice chair, even if it wouldn’t have direct effects on productivity compared to a just decent one. For most people relying on a smartphone for work, be it 700 or 1000 the device will pay for itself in a few months at most, so I think the price difference won’t matter much. Better batter…

Honest question, who relies on a smartphone for work? I mean, obviously people rely on a phone for work, people rely on email for work, but what jobs are there where getting the iPhone pro model would make a difference to getting, say, the now much lower priced iPhone 8.. or for that matter a used 2/3 year old flagship android phone?

Depends if you mean work on your phone, or on your phone at work.

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Post by iNate2000 »

evo_9 wrote: post #313
krzyk wrote: post #161

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Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

While I don't disagree with you I do wonder what more could they offer at this point? What are the missing features that everyone expected/needed? The iPhone is now like Photoshop; it has all the features I've needed and more for at least 3-4 generations now. Maybe a stripped down iPhone with less features, smaller size and (magically) longer/better battery life would be a better angle for Apple to take at this point…

I want an iPhone Max that can use Apple Pencil. But that's just me.

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Post by baddox »

tpmx wrote: post #335
baddox wrote: post #326

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> They've probably kept the "long press action" for compat reasons? I'm not sure what you mean. From what I can tell, they're introducing the long press action all over the OS, to replace Peek and Pop with "context menus". https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... Previously, they had the long press action in just a few spots for non-3D Touch phones (like on Control Center icons on the iPhone XR…

To clarify: In order to maintain app compatibility with this ill-advised HW feature that they are now abandoning, they will need to do something. I'm guessing they'll probably translate long press events into force touch events for third party apps. Do you have better intel?

Oh, I see what you mean. I would assume that the Peek menu UI will remain supported, or perhaps there will be a compat library that will port it to the iOS 13 context menus. I'm not sure. I also don't know how it would work if a pre-iOS 13 third-party app implemented both 3D Touch and a long press to do different things on the same UI element.
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