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Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Terrifying. Why would the children even want to live there?

Shocking but true: In some countries you aren't allowed to Just Leave, and some people aren't welcomed in other countries. The US has a highly inaccurate list of people who aren't even allowed to visit!

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#42
post #21

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You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.

You need to think like the leader of a nation, not like the leader of an advocacy group. This is a playing field most people can't comprehend.

> You need to think like the leader of a nation

It'd sure be nice if we had someone in DC doing that...

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to think like the leader of a nation, not like the leader of an advocacy group. This is a playing field most people can't comprehend.

Right, what lobbying group paid their bribes this year. Ah, military contractors are well up to date. Okay, lets toss them a few billion in Saudi weapons contracts. How did I do?

Incredibly poorly.

Nation states aren't supposed to have egos.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#44
post #17

Pretty cheap as far as PR schemes go. Letting his children leave and speak openly to the free media would be a PR disaster. Killing them would be a worse one. But keep them where they are and under threat of death while giving the appearance of comfortable, consensual living, and everybody wins, right? It at least offers sufficient plausible deniability for Pompeo to continue to ignore the SA government's historical…

Totally agree. Although this is totally disgraceful, this is a very smart act from Saudi Arabia government I have to say!

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#45

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

In order to be legitimately upset with our government having"shitty allies", you first need to believe in the fiction that our government isn't shitty itself. A quick browse through history should relieve of such a fantasy. In fact you don't need to look at history. The policy of illegal sanctions begun under the last administration, and now the illegal blockade of Venezuela (which is resulting in the deaths of many civilians) should have you nice and clear-eyed about your government.

Once you understand that our government's primary function is to protect and expand markets for the capital class, you cease to be surprised or confused by it's actions. Google the coup instigated in behalf of United fruit. That was over 100 years ago, so none of this is new. Stop reading the New York times or any other mainstream publication for foreign policy opinion or news. Try alternative sites like greyzoneproject or truthdig if you want decent news.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#46

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

One thing you should quickly learn is that "ally" does not mean "friend". An ally has similar enough goals to most of the time work together in those goals that are the same, and also to try not to encroach when goals are different.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#47

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

In order to be legitimately upset with our government having"shitty allies", you first need to believe in the fiction that our government isn't shitty itself. A quick browse through history should relieve of such a fantasy. In fact you don't need to look at history. The policy of illegal sanctions begun under the last administration, and now the illegal blockade of Venezuela (which is resulting in the deaths of many…

You should really define shitty. What you are saying is you don't particularly like a country without the ability to actually describe why that is. It's comes off feeling like someone's opinion of their favorite sports team.

Certainly, the countries you like do things differently than the ones you want, but you won't even highlight those differences. No, instead it's only bad and good.

I'm frankly tired of people that can't describe in real thoughts what makes something great or terrible without falling back on the words that a two year old might make use of to describe their day.

Get creative. Go on a verbal tirade and tell me how you really feel. But please stop compressing your thoughts down to good, bad and shitty. If you really want to communicate, please do so.

You don't like capitalism? Because you're not making the money? What are the real reasons? You don't like communism? Because of the Gulag Archipelago? Be clear.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#48
post #19

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Hence the US strategy of developing local oil extraction (fracking etc.). Reduce dependence on the middle east and thus the power of totalitarian regimes. Too bad EU isn't following suit (to the extent they can).

I don't think it's accurate to characterize fracking as a geopolitical strategy. It is being done independently by oil companies who see it as an attractive way to produce oil - not on orders from the state department.

The state sets the regulatory framework. Would not be unreasonable to expect fracking to be largely prohibited due to its ecological impact.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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In order to be legitimately upset with our government having"shitty allies", you first need to believe in the fiction that our government isn't shitty itself. A quick browse through history should relieve of such a fantasy. In fact you don't need to look at history. The policy of illegal sanctions begun under the last administration, and now the illegal blockade of Venezuela (which is resulting in the deaths of many…

You should really define shitty. What you are saying is you don't particularly like a country without the ability to actually describe why that is. It's comes off feeling like someone's opinion of their favorite sports team. Certainly, the countries you like do things differently than the ones you want, but you won't even highlight those differences. No, instead it's only bad and good. I'm frankly tired of people tha…

What part of instigated coups on behalf of a fruit company and illegally killing people I'm Venezuela is unclear? Cause I literally typed those things in my parent comment. Those seem to me to be valid reasons for having issues with a government. It's ironic that a comment trying to persuade others to "get creative" is the comment that seems suspiciously like copypasta.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

#50

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

In order to be legitimately upset with our government having"shitty allies", you first need to believe in the fiction that our government isn't shitty itself. A quick browse through history should relieve of such a fantasy. In fact you don't need to look at history. The policy of illegal sanctions begun under the last administration, and now the illegal blockade of Venezuela (which is resulting in the deaths of many…

> In order to be legitimately upset with our government having"shitty allies", you first need to believe in the fiction that our government isn't shitty itself.

No, you don't. You can be upset about our government being shitty, and hold the shitty allies it chooses to support as one of the many exhibits demonstrating the general shittiness of the government.

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