Now now ... they are a big investor in Softbank ... who is going to fund the next WeWork scam ???.
Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments
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#32Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.
I'm not proud of what the government here in America is doing to its own citizens. Prison population, border detainment, Guantanamo... The USA is imprisons over 2 million people. Our human rights record is not strong.
Also not that far removed from the same sort of behaviour; Joe McCarthy.
Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments
#33Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.
There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.
There is a wide gap between war and staunch ally.
Like, we could stop supporting their genocide in Yemen. Could stop selling weapons to them period. Could stop buying their oil. Could start putting out sanctions. Could actually demand some accountability for their role in 9/11.
Whole spectrum between what we have now and outright war.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.
You need to think like the leader of a nation, not like the leader of an advocacy group. This is a playing field most people can't comprehend.
Right, what lobbying group paid their bribes this year.
Ah, military contractors are well up to date. Okay, lets toss them a few billion in Saudi weapons contracts.
How did I do?
Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments
#35Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.
Financial compensation is an Islamic cleric and state compliant way to resolve deaths over there. Of course you can read the book one thousand different ways. The point is that it is nice they fulfilled that promise. edit: remember, their religious clerics can say whatever they want and thats the law in a theocracy. English wikipedia is not going to describe that adequately
> The point is that it is nice they fulfilled that promise.
In a free society, I'd have asked for for MBS' life under retributive justice. I wouldn't want him killed, just would want a much fairer diya (double digit share of Aramco?).
The Wikipedia article says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diya_(Islam)
> It only applies when victim's family want to compromise with the guilty party; otherwise qisas applies.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.
You need to think like the leader of a nation, not like the leader of an advocacy group. This is a playing field most people can't comprehend.
The idea that the rich and powerful breed are at another level than the commoners, and we can never aspire to the genius behind their choices, is not a new talking point but maybe one of the oldest.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Go to war with? No. There's a wide gulf between "close allies" and "at war." We're selling them arms, buying their oil, and trading intelligence with them.
I can't help thinking that if the US were forced at ICBM-point to choose sides in the Saudi Arabia vs. Iran international rivalry, Iran would be the better choice, even after all the terrible history between Iran and the US. It's like fighting Christianity's Devil by making a blood pact with Ialchtaluogoloth, Inscrutable Lord of the Slime Pits From Beyond the Dead Stars. At least Lucifer can appreciate a finely tailo…
> It's like fighting Christianity's Devil by making a blood pact with Ialchtaluogoloth, Inscrutable Lord of the Slime Pits From Beyond the Dead Stars. At least Lucifer can appreciate a finely tailored suit.
This is an excellent paragraph and I bet I would enjoy reading more of what you write. If you happen to blog, would you mind emailing me a link? My email address is in my profile.
Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments
#39Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.
There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.
If our instinct is to jump from allying with a nation to being at war, we have accepted the most violent countries' axioms of how the world must work. Bush Jr's "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists" mentality and policy have certainly sown some seeds.
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#40All of this is funded by their oil wealth. Everything about SA can be traced back to their oil wealth (including their relations with the US). If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. Unlike Norway and similarly to Canada their sovereign wealth fund isn't very healthy, and unlike Norway and Canada they don't have much e…
SA is heavily invested in US companies, they will have a lot of money and power for a long long time
Do you think they US will play along when they have nothing to gain from SA anymore?