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Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by sv123 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #15
patthebunny wrote: post #12

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.

You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by klyrs »

chrisco255 wrote: post #15
patthebunny wrote: post #12

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.

Go to war with? No. There's a wide gulf between "close allies" and "at war." We're selling them arms, buying their oil, and trading intelligence with them.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by PopeDotNinja »

patthebunny wrote: post #12

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

I'm not proud of what the government here in America is doing to its own citizens. Prison population, border detainment, Guantanamo... The USA is imprisons over 2 million people. Our human rights record is not strong.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by dmix »

sv123 wrote: post #21
chrisco255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.

You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.

Iran managed to arm themselves very effectively without American help.

There’s a whole lot of lesser evils which define plenty of diplomatic decision making in that region.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by whatshisface »

tomp wrote: post #19
whatshisface wrote: post #6

All of this is funded by their oil wealth. Everything about SA can be traced back to their oil wealth (including their relations with the US). If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. Unlike Norway and similarly to Canada their sovereign wealth fund isn't very healthy, and unlike Norway and Canada they don't have much e…

Hence the US strategy of developing local oil extraction (fracking etc.). Reduce dependence on the middle east and thus the power of totalitarian regimes. Too bad EU isn't following suit (to the extent they can).

I don't think it's accurate to characterize fracking as a geopolitical strategy. It is being done independently by oil companies who see it as an attractive way to produce oil - not on orders from the state department.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by arez »

whatshisface wrote: post #6

All of this is funded by their oil wealth. Everything about SA can be traced back to their oil wealth (including their relations with the US). If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. Unlike Norway and similarly to Canada their sovereign wealth fund isn't very healthy, and unlike Norway and Canada they don't have much e…

SA is heavily invested in US companies, they will have a lot of money and power for a long long time

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by taxidump »

sv123 wrote: post #21
chrisco255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.

You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.

You need to think like the leader of a nation, not like the leader of an advocacy group. This is a playing field most people can't comprehend.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by rolltiide »

patthebunny wrote: post #12

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

Financial compensation is an Islamic cleric and state compliant way to resolve deaths over there.

Of course you can read the book one thousand different ways.

The point is that it is nice they fulfilled that promise.

edit: remember, their religious clerics can say whatever they want and thats the law in a theocracy. English wikipedia is not going to describe that adequately

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by logfromblammo »

klyrs wrote: post #22
chrisco255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.

Go to war with? No. There's a wide gulf between "close allies" and "at war." We're selling them arms, buying their oil, and trading intelligence with them.

I can't help thinking that if the US were forced at ICBM-point to choose sides in the Saudi Arabia vs. Iran international rivalry, Iran would be the better choice, even after all the terrible history between Iran and the US.

It's like fighting Christianity's Devil by making a blood pact with Ialchtaluogoloth, Inscrutable Lord of the Slime Pits From Beyond the Dead Stars. At least Lucifer can appreciate a finely tailored suit.

If Saudi Arabia didn't have light, sweet oil reserves and control of the Hajj, they wouldn't have much of anything at all.

Re: Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

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Post by patthebunny »

PopeDotNinja wrote: post #23
patthebunny wrote: post #12

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

I'm not proud of what the government here in America is doing to its own citizens. Prison population, border detainment, Guantanamo... The USA is imprisons over 2 million people. Our human rights record is not strong.

I think you might be assuming I think more highly of the American government.
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