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Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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They overpaid big time, fees of approximately $33 would've been sufficient for the transaction to confirm just as fast.

do they have to pay anything? or let's assume they just want to pay $1, and they don't care about how long it takes. would it eventually happen?

Yeah, looks like $1 would've probably been enough fees for this transaction to be confirmed within a reasonable timeframe (less than 10 blocks, ~a few hours).

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#432

Imagine making a typo in the receiving address

Test tx of 0.1 before sending. https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9895f1e94d0df7fd04e1289f34... I usually test with 0.00001

That transaction cost 0.00530724 BTC or 55$. Why is it different than the final one?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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Banks typically treat billionaire customers differently too, it's absolutely ludicrous to think they'd have to use hundreds of thousands of transactions (let alone pay for them!).

Maybe. Having worked in the wire room before, that is not inaccurate. That said, transferring one billion would require advance knowledge, multiple signoffs, and adjusting permissions for people. Depending on the institution the payments may have to be split, but odds are the bank would eat the cost to maintain that relationship.

> That said, transferring one billion would require advance knowledge, multiple signoffs, and adjusting permissions for people.

This is largely a feature, not a bug, as various Bitcoin exchanges have discovered.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bi...

Thanks for posting this. I don't understand how the US can go in and decide BTC-e was a money laundering op and then confiscate bitcoins and put people in jail. Who decides who gets those bitcoins? Surely many other countries have money laundering laws. What makes the US so special that they can go flip a business operating in the Ukraine?

> What makes the US so special that they can go flip a business operating in the Ukraine?

On the international stage, might makes right. What makes us special... our military and our threats make other countries concede to our wishes.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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So, if I were a hedge fund, I can effectively short Bitcoins and spend a piddly amount to build a datacenter to carry a 51% attack. If the attack fails, I can re-purpose my datacenter

https://www.crypto51.app/ Bitcoin has long since passed the stage where you could 51%-attack it for piddly amounts of money. Most other altcoins, though...

Those numbers are pretty inaccurate, though, for cases where the NiceHash capacity is well below what is needed to mount an attack. I.e. the $768k for an hour of bitcoin attack actually vastly under estimates the cost, because to mount that attack you would need to purchase the hashing power large enough to mount that attack.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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Do you now understand why we need something like Bitcoin? (Even if it's gonna a be a newer version of it in the future, or something even more private etc.)

Doesn't this instead just show the Realpolitik nature of currency, that it doesn't matter the technical implementation when a government can still just step in and seize the asset using traditional force?

It cannot if you own your own keys. "Not your keys - not your crypto". Of course if you let some other entity to hold your keys, you're basically just using a bank, which has its own benefits, but I was talking about the unique ability to handle your keys, which crypto provides, as opposed to any other electronic money system to date.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bi...

Thanks for posting this. I don't understand how the US can go in and decide BTC-e was a money laundering op and then confiscate bitcoins and put people in jail. Who decides who gets those bitcoins? Surely many other countries have money laundering laws. What makes the US so special that they can go flip a business operating in the Ukraine?

They don't have a right to do it, but there's nothing to stop them.

A foreign power can have any law it wants, and no other foreign power has to respect it. You can try to sue them, but sovereign immunity, and foreign sovereign immunity, stops almost all of these attempts. The exceptions generally are human rights abuses (by the same state doing the suing...) and commercial transactions.

In this case, the USG stole from money launderers in a foreign country. So not only can people in the US not sue the USG over it (sovereign immunity), people in the Ukraine can't sue the USG over it (foreign sovereign immunity). The thieves would have the best claim, but it doesn't work out well when you claim your illegal business was stolen from. And since it's a foreign power, if the US balks, it would be covered under international law, and guess who enforces international law?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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do they have to pay anything? or let's assume they just want to pay $1, and they don't care about how long it takes. would it eventually happen?

It might. It depends on the status of the network at the time. If there is a significantly large unconfirmed transaction pool backlog and a transaction is made with a low enough fee then the miners may simply ignore the transaction for long enough that they let it expire and drop it completely. Theoretically, that transaction still could be confirmed at any time in the future, but, practically, it won't be. So, most…

This got me thinking. I believe I saw last year where there was something like over 200k unconfirmed transactions on the blockchain. Right now it says 5000.

So, what is the minimum amount you could send with a proper transaction fee? Could someone flood the network with millions of unconfirmed transactions?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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Every second, the amount of hashes computed on the Bitcoin network is equal to every grain of sand on earth, multiplied by 7. There isn't enough computing power available to 51% attack a chain that comes close to justify the $1 billion dollar "bounty" on this transaction.

Only if the attack is from the outside, which is not a requirement. It's not mutually exclusive. The miners who control the bitcoin network are already centralized on a handful of organizations in China. If they colluded on this attack they would take over >51% of the network because, hey, they already own and operate most of that computing power you're eluding to. Edit: There is also no evidence that the price would…

Wouldn't Bitcoin lose a lot of value if such an attack happened?
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