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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by chrshawkes »

brandonmenc wrote: post #228
otakucode wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever the cause, it has to be something extremely subtle and very unlikely to occur. We know that from the simple numbers. Tens of millions of people vaping on an hourly basis for years amounting to ~500 cases means that whatever is occurring is a freak occurrence and not some direct consequence that has a high likelihood of occurring in typical people.

> Tens of millions of people vaping on an hourly basis for years amounting to ~500 cases Vaping is new. Maybe these are the early incidents of a yet-to-be-discovered chronic condition that takes a decade plus of vaping to develop. Hey, millions of high schoolers smoke cigarettes and none of them have lung cancer! (yet)

18 and 19 year olds are in commas, dead right now, or will be soon. This is killing people far faster than cigarettes. I'm of the opinion the small fraction of people claiming they only smoked nicotine are probably lying for reasons mentioned before. They are young kids who don't want to disappoint their families with the fact that they are now dying at a very young age from what used to be a mostly harmless activity (marijuana smoking). There are also settlements and insurance including life insurance, AD & D to consider as well.

Juul Lab's and all the vaping shops need to be put out of business for claiming this is a harmless way of smoking. Kids took that and ran with it as they vaporize God knows what to get high in a stealthy and supposedly, more healthy way.

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Post by cthalupa »

fragmede wrote: post #260
cthalupa wrote: post #254

This seems to be incredibly well correlated with the increase in use of oil based thickening agents, particularly for black market cartridges. This year we've seen a lot of these products gain popularity, along with the rise of people selling cartridges in packages that look legitimate (Dank Vapes, Mario Karts, etc.) but are just cartridge packages, with no company selling THC carts with that name or product line exi…

The death in Oregon was linked to a "an electronic cigarette containing marijuana oil from a legal dispensary". https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/09/05/vaping...

Yep! Thus why I mentioned I wouldn't necessarily trust something from a dispensary as being safe. People have reported seeing some of the Dank Vapes/Mario Kart/etc. cartridges in dispensaries in California as well, despite these 100% being 'black market' cartridges of unknown origin.

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Post by fragmede »

atlasunshrugged wrote: post #86
troydavis wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s some detailed analyses from neutral third parties about just how much less hazardous vaping is than smoking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18717697#18718028 (For THC, strongly consider eliminating lung damage entirely by consuming edibles instead of either vaping or smoking.)

Thanks for this! Agreed on THC, but I'm purely looking at cigarettes/tobacco right now A few Swedes have also highly recommended looking into Snus as an alternative and I need to do some more research there

Snuff or chewing tobacco, as it is more commonly known in the states, still causes cancer.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

JamesBarney wrote: post #247
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #72

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This seems to be the correct answer. Vaping nicotine should be used only as part of a plan to cease smoking. That’s the only sound advice , if people choose to ignore it then that’s on them. It’d still way less damaging than cigarettes.

But if someone doesn't have plans to cease smoking should they continue to smoke cigarettes instead of switching to vaping?

My personal opinion is yes.

What mean to say is, if you are a purveyor of nicotine products in a professional manner, probably best to not recommend nicotine containing products outside the context of smoking cessation.

Though this line of inquiry rapid segues in to a philosophical debate.

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Post by belenos46 »

chrshawkes wrote: post #261
brandonmenc wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tens of millions of people vaping on an hourly basis for years amounting to ~500 cases Vaping is new. Maybe these are the early incidents of a yet-to-be-discovered chronic condition that takes a decade plus of vaping to develop. Hey, millions of high schoolers smoke cigarettes and none of them have lung cancer! (yet)

18 and 19 year olds are in commas, dead right now, or will be soon. This is killing people far faster than cigarettes. I'm of the opinion the small fraction of people claiming they only smoked nicotine are probably lying for reasons mentioned before. They are young kids who don't want to disappoint their families with the fact that they are now dying at a very young age from what used to be a mostly harmless activity…

>18 and 19 year olds are in commas

Oh no, not commas! What other punctuation related illnesses hover over our head, waiting to descend when the clouds of vape smoke clear?

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Post by mullingitover »

Mtinie wrote: post #121

Who benefits from a temporary demand reduction or regulatory shift in vaping? * Health advocates * Alcoholic beverage producers * Tobacco producers (though I believe they have gone all-in on vaping as a healthier replacement) * Black- and grey-market cannabis growers who prefer not to concentrate their product Who else should be on that list? I’m not suggesting a false-flag or major conspiracy, simply that some group…

> Who benefits from a temporary demand reduction or regulatory shift in vaping?

Every state receiving funds in the Master Settlement Agreement. They are effectively partnering with the tobacco companies and they lose money when people successfully quit smoking.

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Post by RenRav »

I ordered 'vape juice' online for my nephew one time. For the past few months I've received spam about cheap CBD vaping juices. Most of these articles mention low quality or debased CBD formulations. I would bet on some connection between the spam I've been receiving and this recent vaping illness. Just my initial suspicion after seeing these articles crop up at the same time as my received spam emails.

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Post by sdinsn »

villgax wrote: post #52

Maybe also ask people to stop smoking, like unless they're actually on fire.

I hate how this comment is on every website's comment section when smoking is brought up.

Smokers know that smoking cigarettes is unhealthy. But it's difficult to stop, since they are addicted. I'm sure you feel enlightened saying "uh, just stop duh", but it's not that straight forward.

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Post by cptskippy »

davinic wrote: post #251
zaphar wrote: post #135

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All three of those elements are not usually vaporized and then inhaled in large quantities. Extrapolation from their effects when ingested is unlikely to apply in these cases. Your conclusion does not follow from the evidence.

Not necessarily. The first two substances have been vaporized extensively in the past as fog juice. Modern fog fluids use (IIRC) a mix of different glycol formulations, but glycerin is no longer used in any commercial products due to health concerns. [Edit] I'll add that they were studied extensively in regards to actors and performers, and Actors' Equity defines many guidelines around usage and exposure: https://www…

> No Actor may be staged or choreographed within a distance from a specific product’s release point during the “wait” time listed on the product’s Time and Distance guidelines chart.

In Laymen's terms it says "Don't let the actor stand around breathing that shit any longer than necessary for the scene".

To me, that's very different from "inhale this shit directly into your lungs repeatedly multiple times a day".

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