Huh? How come they are not coming out saying to stop smoking regular cigarettes too? How are regular cigarettes still legal?
CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads
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#242Vaping is great! Take someone who smokes two packs a day, give him a niccotine vape, and he gets all the 'high' he needs to fuel his addiciton, with (by some sources) only 10% of the "bad things" going in his lungs (compared to cigarettes). Less coughing, easier to reduce the dosage (just buy a liquid with less nicotine - you still keep your rutine and cigarette breaks, but slowly lower your addiction level). ...but.…
I think if it really was purely a device for cessation then this could be solved by putting it behind the counter and requiring a prescription. I remember before weed was legal in California there would be a doc office next to a pot shop and you would get your prescription and then walk in. I imagine there would be a market for people who wanted to quit to go to a 5 min doc meeting, they'd verify you're a smoker and…
Most nicotine replacements don't require a prescription and it seems silly to require a prescription for vaping but not smoking.
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you assuming it's the same people? It's not like a majority of the population vapes... while it seems to be at least somewhat popular, it's still very much the minority I see vaping.
Apparently 20% of US high school students vape.
Which is a minority, of an already small subset of the population.
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
Three are and have always been three components of e-liquid: - propylene glycol (used in ice-cream soda etc) - vegetable glycerin - food flavoring Besides proportions changing the only other variant is the type of flavoring. It's not actually too complicated. And If one of those ingredients was suddenly tainted people using vaporizers would not be the only ones affected, of course.
All three of those elements are not usually vaporized and then inhaled in large quantities. Extrapolation from their effects when ingested is unlikely to apply in these cases. Your conclusion does not follow from the evidence.
This is the point everyone seems to be missing.
Everyone is defending the ingredients as being safe but it's like defending water as being safe in when you have a patient who has steam related third degree burns.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
In all my experience working for a non-profit that closely involves itself with the CDC and smoking related research, I would never describe the CDC's actions as over-the-top. They do all their own research and are very measured and even handed with their messaging. Contrast that to the FDA who have outsourced their job function to back to the companies they're supposed to be regulating.
Three are and have always been three components of e-liquid: - propylene glycol (used in ice-cream soda etc) - vegetable glycerin - food flavoring Besides proportions changing the only other variant is the type of flavoring. It's not actually too complicated. And If one of those ingredients was suddenly tainted people using vaporizers would not be the only ones affected, of course.
The digestive system and the respiratory system are quite different systems.
You can safely drink lots of water. A fairly small quantity in your lungs is a big problem.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that needs to be weighed against the fact that it seems unlikely 1) everyone would lie and 2) they would lie regarding a health issue that has killed people, meaning they have a strong interest in doctors having accurate information so it doesn't kill them too
> it seems unlikely 1) everyone would lie From the article "One trend worth noting, however, is that very few of the cases involve only nicotine products; most of the afflicted users reported using THC exclusively or as well as nicotine." I struggle to see why GP is completely ignoring this and is insinuating that normal nicotine vaping is dangerous. It is fabulously unlikely we have only just "discovered" this. Inst…
I just see a general "dont vape" trend and that is good. Until we know more, lay off.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's a lot safer than smoking, there's probably a lot safer methods, but vapings efficacy vs other quit methods is just too good to discard for even slight health risks vs smoking. Only Juul/Pax has a hidden Big Tobacco interest, the rest are either overt or companies that are dedicated to vapor only. Almost all the innovation came from outside Big Tobacco, but all that is coming to an end with FDA'S regulati…
This seems to be the correct answer. Vaping nicotine should be used only as part of a plan to cease smoking. That’s the only sound advice , if people choose to ignore it then that’s on them. It’d still way less damaging than cigarettes.
But if someone doesn't have plans to cease smoking should they continue to smoke cigarettes instead of switching to vaping?
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I appreciate your optimism about the unknown, but there is the frightening possibility that maybe e-cigerattes will kill you more efficiently than your regular smokes. If you’re using it as a way to stop completely, then that’s awesome, but all Danish research on the subject has led to vaping being on our “not-recommended” list for ways of helping people quit.
Except for the fact that other ways don’t work. It’s not possible to slowly reduce your nicotine intake with cigarettes. The only alternative is: stop all your smoking habits, and maybe one of these nicotine substitutes will help. But that only adresses one part of the issue: the nicotine addiction. Smoking is a lot more complex than just the nicotine addiction. I know a lot of smokers who managed to take a break fro…
Have you found that you're reducing your vaping usage?
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever the cause, it has to be something extremely subtle and very unlikely to occur. We know that from the simple numbers. Tens of millions of people vaping on an hourly basis for years amounting to ~500 cases means that whatever is occurring is a freak occurrence and not some direct consequence that has a high likelihood of occurring in typical people.
And isn't one of the common threads within this whole thing the presence of Vitamin E acetate within the oil? Earlier reports were suggesting that contaminated oils may be part of the cause, which could explain why all these cases are hitting at once. Not sure on the process of making these oils, but I could see new methods being introduced causing unforeseen side affects.
The initial NY report mentioned also that they were likely counterfeit products, which I could easily see as being prone to use an unsafe substitution.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I appreciate your optimism about the unknown, but there is the frightening possibility that maybe e-cigerattes will kill you more efficiently than your regular smokes. If you’re using it as a way to stop completely, then that’s awesome, but all Danish research on the subject has led to vaping being on our “not-recommended” list for ways of helping people quit.
Except for the fact that other ways don’t work. It’s not possible to slowly reduce your nicotine intake with cigarettes. The only alternative is: stop all your smoking habits, and maybe one of these nicotine substitutes will help. But that only adresses one part of the issue: the nicotine addiction. Smoking is a lot more complex than just the nicotine addiction. I know a lot of smokers who managed to take a break fro…
How about patch/gum plus fake cigarettes that just heat air you can suck on and breathe?