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I can count maybe 5 people in the crypto space that would have that much BTC, but none of them would be dumb enough to put it all in one wallet. Most likely some large institutional investor decided to re-key their cold storage wallet.

This is the part which confuses me about Bitcoin the most. It's meant to be anonymous, yet with some diligent data mining, it can become pretty clear who's who from their spending patterns by observing the ledger. How is that remotely anonymous?

it’s a common misconception: bitcoin is NOT supposed to be anonymous (it has a full ledger), but pseudonymous.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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Imagine making a typo in the receiving address

In which case it’s extremely unlikely that you would name another valid address; so your transaction would eventually be invalidated.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik there is no "eventual" invalidation in bitcoin: either the destination address fails the checksum (so nodes immediately reject the transaction), or you send the funds to an (unused) address where they'll sit forever.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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From the top twitter comment: > 0.06BTC in fees? Why so expensive? Just gotta say, its pretty amazing we live in a world where 1 billion dollars can get transferred pseudo-anonymously in a reasonable time frame, only costing the transfer party $600. As a really stupid, non-real-world comparison, Western Union has a transfer limit of $2500 per transaction, and a $20 fee per transaction. If you were to initiate a $1,00…

They overpaid big time, fees of approximately $33 would've been sufficient for the transaction to confirm just as fast.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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Interesting. There are 17~18 million BTC in existence[1], so this makes up for about half of a percent of total BTC.

(of course a lot of those BTC are lost forever due to forgotten keys, hard drive crashes, thrown out hard drives, etc, so who knows what the actual amount of accessible BTC is).

[1]: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/how-many-bitcoins-are-th...

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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post #12

I can count maybe 5 people in the crypto space that would have that much BTC, but none of them would be dumb enough to put it all in one wallet. Most likely some large institutional investor decided to re-key their cold storage wallet.

This is the part which confuses me about Bitcoin the most. It's meant to be anonymous, yet with some diligent data mining, it can become pretty clear who's who from their spending patterns by observing the ledger. How is that remotely anonymous?

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Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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From the top twitter comment: > 0.06BTC in fees? Why so expensive? Just gotta say, its pretty amazing we live in a world where 1 billion dollars can get transferred pseudo-anonymously in a reasonable time frame, only costing the transfer party $600. As a really stupid, non-real-world comparison, Western Union has a transfer limit of $2500 per transaction, and a $20 fee per transaction. If you were to initiate a $1,00…

I think you're confusing the real-world version of you that has to pay $20 per transaction with a hypothetical billionaire version of you. People moving large amounts of money around don't do 400,000 transactions at $20 a pop.

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Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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post #12

I can count maybe 5 people in the crypto space that would have that much BTC, but none of them would be dumb enough to put it all in one wallet. Most likely some large institutional investor decided to re-key their cold storage wallet.

This is the part which confuses me about Bitcoin the most. It's meant to be anonymous, yet with some diligent data mining, it can become pretty clear who's who from their spending patterns by observing the ledger. How is that remotely anonymous?

Bitcoin isnt anonymous, and doesn't claim to be.

If you want an anonymous currency check out something like Zcash or monero. They use some fancier crypto to obscure transaction inputs and outputs, which gets you a bit farther towards being anonymous.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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post #12

I can count maybe 5 people in the crypto space that would have that much BTC, but none of them would be dumb enough to put it all in one wallet. Most likely some large institutional investor decided to re-key their cold storage wallet.

This is the part which confuses me about Bitcoin the most. It's meant to be anonymous, yet with some diligent data mining, it can become pretty clear who's who from their spending patterns by observing the ledger. How is that remotely anonymous?

> It's meant to be anonymous

Unfortunately, Bitcoin (BTC) is not anonymous, as you pointed out. It never was; and with tax laws requiring copious transaction information, it is particularly easily traceable.

That's the idea behind Monero & Co., which tries to mix things up a bit (literally). The anonymity is still not perfect, especially against state-level actors.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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From the top twitter comment: > 0.06BTC in fees? Why so expensive? Just gotta say, its pretty amazing we live in a world where 1 billion dollars can get transferred pseudo-anonymously in a reasonable time frame, only costing the transfer party $600. As a really stupid, non-real-world comparison, Western Union has a transfer limit of $2500 per transaction, and a $20 fee per transaction. If you were to initiate a $1,00…

Help me understand, was 1 billion dollars actually transferred? Wouldn't a normal bank wire of the same amount cost less than that, say $25?

$1 Billion USD at current prices. Having said that in the current SWIFT or any other legacy payment rail, there is no finality in transactions until 30+ days.

Not only that, is that you would have the Eye of Sauron quickly looking at you for moving such quantities especially if it were a private individual or some smaller group that isn't all registered with the powers that be.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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From the top twitter comment: > 0.06BTC in fees? Why so expensive? Just gotta say, its pretty amazing we live in a world where 1 billion dollars can get transferred pseudo-anonymously in a reasonable time frame, only costing the transfer party $600. As a really stupid, non-real-world comparison, Western Union has a transfer limit of $2500 per transaction, and a $20 fee per transaction. If you were to initiate a $1,00…

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