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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

wp381640 wrote: post #105
moksly wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure vaping is actually reducing potential harm? Because our national health agency isn’t[1]. As I understand it, a few brands come with a lower risk of certain tobacco induced cancers compared to smoking. Which is harm reduction, I guess, but research is suggesting that all vaping comes with greater risk to the respiratory system and heart. Of course the real issue in evaluating the safety of e-cigerates is…

> Are you sure vaping is actually reducing potential harm? Yep. I quit smoking via 3 years of vaping and tapering down on nicotine. I've referred and seen no less than a half-dozen people I know do the same - some of the hardest smokers i've known (including my own fathers 40 year+ pack a day habit) If anybody asks i'll always turn people onto vaping - even if they don't ask i'll push them towards it, nothing has got…

Anecdotal counterpoint: I was a 1-2 pack a day smoker for ten years. If I'd picked up vaping I'd probably still be smoking. I tried early e-cigarettes and didn't care for them because while I got the nicotine the actual practice wasn't as pleasant. But if that aspect of "this is fine for me" was present I may not have asserted my desire to stop so strongly. I had a hard time quitting until I went all-in with no surrogates.

A resolute mind and a week in bed/at home was what did it. From 100% -> 0%. I've had maybe 2 cigarettes since that time and they were enough to convince me I don't want the habit back. Because of whatever recovery processes were happening with my lungs/esophagus I was all kinds of sick for that week. Staying home let me be as gross as I needed to be to get past the worst of it. And really, the first 3-4 days are the worst of the physical symptoms. Once you make it to a week it gets easier, two weeks even moreso. Years out and it's hard to believe I kept it up for so long. I'm really glad I didn't start vaping.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by weaksauce »

smashthepants wrote: post #183

Would this apply to vaping 'dry herb'? Or is it specific to oil?

Since vaping flower is similar to smoking flower I would think that the problem lies in the unregulated juice that black markets provide. I haven’t heard of any cases of legal carts being the causes but they haven’t been all that forthcoming with the sources.

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Post by jjgreen »

julianlam wrote: post #159
pavelludiq wrote: post #148

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> we should make sure that non-smokers do not take up vaping How about we let adults do as they please instead. The most anybody should ever do about vaping is warn people that maybe it's not the safest thing in the world. Instead in the EU we have a ridiculous law that makes it illegal to sell nicotine liquid in container bigger than 10ml, which means that if I don't want to spend twice what I used on cigarettes, I…

Letting adults do as they please is a common refrain, but when you're living in a country with subsidized healthcare, the government has an incentive (at the macro level) to not let you do stupid things that raise healthcare costs, which are then passed on to the population at large. In America, you break it, you buy it. Everywhere else, I have no problem with a bit of governmental oversight to make sure people don't…

Since smokers use health services much less than non-smokers, your view is that non-US governments should encourage smoking then?

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Post by kaikai »

mistermann wrote: post #212
zelon88 wrote: post #172

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> (3) The CDC reports and early studies indicate that the condition has appeared in some people who only vaped with nicotine in glycerol (which is also sometimes called glycerin or glycerine). Are you sure? The article states ... "...most of the afflicted users reported using THC exclusively or as well as nicotine."

The information and wording used in these reports seems designed to maximize fear, but more importantly, maximize uncertainty, confusion, and speculative discussion . From the TechCrunch article: > One trend worth noting, however, is that very few of the cases involve only nicotine products You'd have to read these articles very carefully to discern that. > ... most of the afflicted users reported using THC exclusive…

They currently have a small and changing dataset. These are news articles, not peer-reviewed scientific papers. When researchers publish datasets it’s to back up conclusions that they’ve made based on the data, and in this case they haven’t reached conclusions. Implying otherwise to the public would be irresponsible.

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Post by hbosch »

lonelappde wrote: post #165
testis321 wrote: post #82

Vaping is great! Take someone who smokes two packs a day, give him a niccotine vape, and he gets all the 'high' he needs to fuel his addiciton, with (by some sources) only 10% of the "bad things" going in his lungs (compared to cigarettes). Less coughing, easier to reduce the dosage (just buy a liquid with less nicotine - you still keep your rutine and cigarette breaks, but slowly lower your addiction level). ...but.…

How is vaping better than nicotine patch, assuming that the poison is not considered a feature?

A nicotine patch doesn’t signal how cool you are and doesn’t allow you blow sick clouds behind the high school.

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Post by soulofmischief »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #167
soulofmischief wrote: post #143

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> It’s those “HUGE CLOUD XD” people who are taking ridiculous sized rips, and black market THC vape carts. Juuls aren’t perfect, but their popularity and the losses to the tobacco industry’s profits make me wonder.... From what I understand, the issue is almost purely surrounding THC carts because of the lipids many producers use to increase the THC's solubility. People who make those big clouds are using high concen…

> It helps to be less judgemental about others' lifestyles and stick to the facts. Sorry if I came off as judgemental. With that being said, we're still unsure of the long terms effects of vaping. Those hobbyists who set their temps to ridiculously high levels and push their coil designs to the max are definitely taking it too far. I don't have a source for this claim, but rock with me on this one. Inhaling anything…

You're still passing undue judgement and exhibiting stereotypical categorization towards people who use atomizers, without having all the facts. Most of these people don't push their temps to the max because it ruins the flavor and destroys the compound. They actually use very precise temperature control and a higher temp doesn't mean more clouds. Except for extreme temperatures, temperature has also not been cited as contributing to this epidemic.

> Inhaling anything other than air isn't good for your lungs

What is "air"? The air quality where I live is pretty awful and filled with contaminants. Also, can you point to a case where inhaling marijuana smoke/vapor has lead to cancer or serious disease? Not all smoke/vapor is created equal. It matters what its composed of.

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Post by sneak »

atlasunshrugged wrote: post #84
testis321 wrote: post #82

Vaping is great! Take someone who smokes two packs a day, give him a niccotine vape, and he gets all the 'high' he needs to fuel his addiciton, with (by some sources) only 10% of the "bad things" going in his lungs (compared to cigarettes). Less coughing, easier to reduce the dosage (just buy a liquid with less nicotine - you still keep your rutine and cigarette breaks, but slowly lower your addiction level). ...but.…

I think if it really was purely a device for cessation then this could be solved by putting it behind the counter and requiring a prescription. I remember before weed was legal in California there would be a doc office next to a pot shop and you would get your prescription and then walk in. I imagine there would be a market for people who wanted to quit to go to a 5 min doc meeting, they'd verify you're a smoker and…

> I think if it really was purely a device for cessation then this could be solved by putting it behind the counter and requiring a prescription.

That ignores the fact that cigarettes, which are orders of magnitude more dangerous, do not require such hoops to be jumped through.

If you’re going to make vaping by prescription, you then need to simultaneously ban tobacco outright.

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Post by qzx_pierri »

soulofmischief wrote: post #236
qzx_pierri wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It helps to be less judgemental about others' lifestyles and stick to the facts. Sorry if I came off as judgemental. With that being said, we're still unsure of the long terms effects of vaping. Those hobbyists who set their temps to ridiculously high levels and push their coil designs to the max are definitely taking it too far. I don't have a source for this claim, but rock with me on this one. Inhaling anything…

You're still passing undue judgement and exhibiting stereotypical categorization towards people who use atomizers, without having all the facts. Most of these people don't push their temps to the max because it ruins the flavor and destroys the compound. They actually use very precise temperature control and a higher temp doesn't mean more clouds. Except for extreme temperatures, temperature has also not been cited a…

I can tell you aren’t willing to understand my argument, so I’ll just slowly back away.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by bfuller »

johngrefe wrote: post #33

I had a startup in Vaping(nicotine) and am still fairly in touch with the industry. There has been no major innovation in nicotine eliquid that would cause a sudden cluster of issues. It's stayed pretty constant since 2013 with the exception of Salt Nicotine, which Pax labs has a gras study published for. The majority of cases seems to be THC carts where it can be confirmed. One case was confirmed from a dispensary i…

>One case was confirmed from a dispensary in Oregon

can you source this for me? i keep hearing it but cant confirm

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