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India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by naravara »

kerng wrote: post #268
hollerith wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that every speaker of an Indo-Aryan language can understand every other speaker of an Indo-Aryan language?

Can someone with more linguistic background compare this to Roman languages for me. Is this like saying Italian, French, Spanish are pretty much the same because they are Romamtic languages? Or English and German are interchangable, because English is a Germanic language? Or, is much closer like British and American English- just mostly difference because of accents and dialects? Trying to understand how different In…

>Is this like saying Italian, French, Spanish are pretty much the same because they are Romamtic languages? Or English and German are interchangable, because English is a Germanic language?

It really varies. Some languages, like Hindi, Gujarati, and Punjabi, are about as similar as Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish. In other cases the common languages can be very different. Telugu and Tamil, for instance, are probably much more like trying to go between English and German. Telugu and Kannada are kind of odd ducks. They're basically Dravidian languages that borrowed tons of their vocabulary from an Indo-European language (Sanskrit). That actually makes it a very good analogue for English, which is a Germanic language that spent a lot of time trying desperately to be a Romance language (French).

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Post by foxyv »

adt2bt wrote: post #205
kappi wrote: post #152

Latest update.. DSN did a carrier lock on lander https://twitter.com/dsn_status/status/1170391223040954368 DSS 54 carrier lock on Chandrayaan-2 Lander Frequency: 2.2846GHz Signal strength: -143dBm IDLE OFF 1 TURBO

Can you explain in layman’s terms what this might mean?

It means they could hear the radio signal they were sending reflect off the probe, but the probe was like "Nah ain't talkin!

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Post by rjf72 »

glofish wrote: post #287
rjf72 wrote: post #280

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There is extensive evidence beyond even just writings including death records, genetic records (1 in 200 men, around the world, are direct descendants of Genghis Khan), and much more. And when you reach such a tremendous scale there is just an unimaginable amount of writing from people of all different views and values. The argument you're making is sufficient to discount and any all records of history. And indeed no…

My point was that the times you refer to were so underdocumented and the reporting is so unreliable that using them in an argument amounts for confirmation bias. You wrote: "The Mongols created a single unified empire than stretched from western europe to eastern asia [...] one that was also extremely tolerant of foreign cultures" Was there a gigantic Mongol empire? Sure. Was it unified and extremely tolerant of fore…

You are using your intuition of the past instead of any actual knowledge of such to formulate views and values. Yes, the Mongol empire was extremely tolerant of cultures by any interpretation of the word. For instance at the time religion was a huge deal and while himself a shamanist, he exempted all religious leaders (of any sort) from taxation and public service requirements. He also built a wide array of houses of worship for most of every major religion. With religions that proved troublesome to integrate, such as Islam, the Mongol leaders would themselves genuinely convert to the religion to try to help maintain better ties and relations. In places were there was religious persecution, Genghis Khan would happily depose leaders (including other Mongols) to ensure freedom under his empire.

Outside of religion they also even allowed local leaders to remain and organize their subjects as they saw fit (subject to things such as guarantees of religious freedom) including even maintaining their own militaries. The only requirement was a 10% tax to the Mongol empire.

They way he spread his genes was pretty much as the way we do today. The only difference is that he had hundreds of wives. Take somebody with several times the wealth of Jeff Bezos today and make him the absolute ruler of the USA, EU, and China. And now he imagine he asks, genuinely asking - not an offer one cannot refuse, practically any woman on this Earth to be one of his wives. Very few would say 'nah, I'm holding out for somebody better.'

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Post by ncmncm »

seer wrote: post #105
egdod wrote: post #81

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Why would landing from a polar orbit be harder?

I’m no expert but doing polar landing would involve a plane change maneuver after you arrive in moon orbit (or some clever orbital mechanics to minimize delta-v losses and somehow do it in a single burn (both capture and plane change). Apart from that, I’d presume theres also complexity of the landing site not being directly visible from earth, necessitating re-transmissions from the orbiter. Not something that hasn’…

The orbiter got into a polar orbit simply by being in the right place when the moon swept in at 1100 mph and snapped it up.

It ended up in a very eccentric polar orbit with its axis pointing at Earth, swinging way out to the left as viewed from Earth. It spent the next week circularizing, after which it was in a nearly circular polar orbit but, because the moon is swinging around, the axis pointed along the moon's orbital path, such that only half of its orbit was in view of (and in radio contact) with Earth. A few days after that it (or, rather, the moon) had swung around enough to put the orbiter in line of sight to Earth for most of its orbit very close to the moon.

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Post by baud147258 »

wumpus wrote: post #199
rjf72 wrote: post #106

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I completely agree with you, but I also think you cannot hand wave away the small differences. Islam is such a perfect example of this. Sunni and Shia Muslims have been literally killing each other for about 1400 years now. Why? One side believes that Mohammed's father-in-law should have been his successor, the other side believes that his son-in-law should have been his successor. Their fundamental views and values…

Thanks for the whataboutism! Islam is a perfect example? In history, the same damn thing happens between Christian factions, occasionally involving a large number of deaths.

Except that Christian factions has stopped using that excuse for killing each other?

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Post by talonx »

nikhil5 wrote: post #237

I have spent many years in India, and I know that the poorest of its people do not support these kinds of financial adventures (or in this case disasters)

You thought an account (that you created just to comment on this thread) with an Indian sounding name will give you credibility?
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