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India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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post #7

It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

Space missions have been, from their very beginning in the past century, not only tribalistic/nationalistic but very overtly and pointedly so; indeed, that was practically the reason they came into existence.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#153
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t disagree with that concept, but note that a lot of international cooperation that exists presently doesn’t help countries like India develop their own technology. Putting Indian astronauts or experiments on American space missions, for example. Taking their own shot at going to the moon, independent of US efforts, is an important step forward for India.

That current cooperation may not be geared towards knowledge transfer doesn't mean it couldn't be. For example the US helped Great Britain extensively in the 60's and 70's on the space front and other areas, not to the extent that the UK was unable to do it themselves but to successfully boot strap their efforts. There's other examples too: Despite a chilly relationship and very different values, the US and Russia ha…

>That current cooperation may not be geared towards knowledge transfer doesn't mean it couldn't be. For example the US helped Great Britain extensively in the 60's and 70's on the space front and other areas, not to the extent that the UK was unable to do it themselves but to successfully boot strap their efforts.

The problem is there is a big crossover between space tech and missile tech, so you have to see that other country as a very close ally to start that kind of tech transfer.

>There's other examples too: Despite a chilly relationship and very different values, the US and Russia have worked together for two decades on the ISS. The world is littered with current projects or their results that involved significant international cooperation and shared expertise.

All tech they both already had.

> Practically no country has independently built all of the technology that it both uses, fully understands, and can now produce on its own.

That isn't an argument for choosing to transfer a particular technology to a particular country.

>What we're really talking about here is teaching-- teaching another country how to do something. I don't need how teaching necessarily disadvantages the student country. It doesn't replace their own initiative to learn and internalize the material, but it does bootstrap the process.

It makes that tech much more easily spread in an age where the west is already worrying about North Korea/Iran/etc's long range missile programs (which they are collaborating on!, point you, but thats a reason why not to share technology willy nilly, point me).

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#154

Kudos to India for even trying. While they are trying to put a probe on the moon, we have a President going through dementia arguing about a 2 week old weather forecast.

On the contray, I am looking forward to the Space Force (The President has just unveiled the Space Command.) [1]

[1] https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/09/05/donald-tr...

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#155

Kudos to India for even trying. While they are trying to put a probe on the moon, we have a President going through dementia arguing about a 2 week old weather forecast.

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#156

I read that the maximum experiments are in the orbiter so this is a successful mission. The only thing for which it 'failed' was to let the ruling class do chest thumping by saying 'we are the fourth country to land a rover'. The ruling party had planned a great celebration today for it's 100 days in office, a date coinciding when the rover would land! They wanted to milk it for their nationalistic purposes while the…

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#157
post #58

As usual for India attempts at greatness are usurped by incompetence! So common in this country. So much corruption. So much complacency. So much waste.

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they are trying to put a probe on the moon?? We sent actual people there 50 years ago! And they did not crash on the moon. What do these people all have in common? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_walked... They are all American.

Came at a Yuuuuge price. The Appllo program claimed several lives even before the first probe launch. Recommend watching “The First Man” for accurate portrayal. Also the difference in budget between the NASA program and ISRO program is Apples one quarter earnings. Just saying

Comparing budget is useless because America gets best talent from all over the world and America's poor are still better than poor who live in India.

It's all relative, imagine if Indian poor population were as well off as American poor population what incentives will others have to study so much and work on space mission? Higher quality life at the bottom is what makes it more expensive to hire better talent. It's not a bad thing.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

#160

I'm for space programs, but India is one of the poorest countries on earth, and spending that kind of money on social programs would actually have an impact on it's population. And then it looks like it failed on top of that, which is honestly not surprising, since space programs are so sensitive to minor quality issues and quality is the hardest thing for a 3rd world country. If I was living in India and struggling…

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