India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

> https://twitter.com/KailasavadivooS/status/11706129755828879...

It's a fake account :)

> (1) there are more sovereign nations now than ever,

Yeah, but the power of the nation state has also weakened. Try subtracting many of the EU member nations as individual sovereign countries for instance, or look to the outsized influence of multinationals.

2. The West is essentially one large empire.

> (3) there is way more infighting that on any time in the previous 40 years

Source? 40 years is a bad timescale - bring that up to a few hundred or thousand and we are at an almost all-time low.

> Modi's presence sure wouldn't make the lander land better. What if there are key decisions that need to be taken in some missions, in an emergency, would you want politicians looking over their shoulder ? Modi could have gone a day later and given a raucous congratulatory speech or a motivating speech.

There are no key decisions as there is no realtime communication. As simple as that. There is a huge delay between when the signal is emitted from the lander and the time it takes to reach the ground station. That process cannot be sped up, emergency or not. Instead of all this whataboutery why not just take some time and read up on the actual facts? What is this nonsense about politicians looking over their shoulder? Modi is a respected man in ISRO. And this isn't the first time Modi visited ISTRAC during a launch or an important mission. Nor is he the first Prime Minister to do so. Manmohan Singh also visited ISRO during important launch missions. Heck the entire Department comes under the Prime Minister. So I don't see what all this fuss is about unless it is a hatred for Modi which has no cure! And are Scientists going to be affected by the presence of the Prime Minister and not the entire Leftist International press (Specifically BBC, New York Times, Washington Post and the other usual leftist outlets) that has written nothing but garbage about Indian Space Program and how it is not worth it when India has to still tackle poverty? Isn't that greater pressure than the presence of the PM who has nothing but been supportive of ISRO whether it be success or failure? If I were an ISRO scientist I would be more worried about leftist Western Media breathing down my neck hoping against hope that we screw up so they can write more articles about how India lacks toilets and basic infrastructure and post images of slums rather than be worried about a Prime Minister who has never been bad to me in any shape or form. A PM who got many scientific projects that were stuck in limbo for over a decade in an endless loop of official approvals out so I could work on them. I would be scared of this supportive PM and not the negative press? Really?

If I were you, I would have called for removal of the leftist International Press that dared to insult ISRO and its Scientists and still gets an opportunity to sit in ISTRAC and watch the entire Mission. But nope. Target the Prime Minister because all he did was to go and give some encouragement. He is a softer target because he is used to taking insults all the time. And you know who insulted ISRO scientists after the launch? It was a journalist from a leftist news organization called NDTV: Pallava Bagla [1]. Is this the way to behave with a Scientist? Modi had to go back again to console the Scientists and the Chairman who was in tears [2]. Absolutely shameless and disgusting.

> Please stop calling anyone who doesn't agree with you "left" brigade and "anti national". It insults everyone's intelligence. You don't know me or my political views. You know my opinion on this issue, let's stick to debating that.

Because you are insulting everyones intelligence here by stating that Modi's presence will somehow affect Scientists working on the Mission. Mine is more saner, realistic and grounded in facts compared to yours. And yes you belong to the leftist brigade. There is now no doubt about that. The more and more you try to argue your non-existent point the more evident it becomes. That is how all frustrated leftists behave. Somehow try to stick their own fallacious assumptions on Modi and hope it will stick. It is a vicious spiral. Once you start hating someone you try finding everything that can justify that hatred. Even if that something is extremely irrational. Imagine if the person sitting there wasn't Modi and it was someone else you like. Would that have changed the outcome of the Mission? Nope. Would the Scientists have felt any pressure? Nope. There you have your answer.

[1] https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/journalist-draws-flak-for-h...

[2] https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/isro-chief-k-s...

ISRO located the lander and got a thermal image from the orbiter

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/chandrayaan-2-isro...

There is extensive evidence beyond even just writings including death records, genetic records (1 in 200 men, around the world, are direct descendants of Genghis Khan), and much more. And when you reach such a tremendous scale there is just an unimaginable amount of writing from people of all different views and values.

The argument you're making is sufficient to discount and any all records of history. And indeed not even history of the long past, but also the present. Do you know exactly what happened in Syria from falsifiable objective accounts, or are you relying on information spread by a small number of sources each with their own agenda?

I think your argument definitely deserves consideration when you get into the minutia of history, but when you're talking about the big scale (this empire ruled this land at this time) I think your argument is more about a disbelief in everything, historical nihilism, rather than justifiable incredulity.