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Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by ryanjshaw »

amelius wrote: post #18
knob wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who h…

> fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. That problem too can be addressed through statistics. How often does a fingerprint sensor fail really? Note that the system could be made to err on the safe side. And could a different technology like Apple's faceId provide a solution perhaps? > A central database with who has what gun at what time? I'm against it. Could you explain why?

They do fail in very many common scenarios. Another issue is that practicality dictates that fingerprint sensors require a manual fallback and that is the weak point in this scheme. LockpickingLawyer has a fun video demonstrating these issues [1].

[1] https://youtu.be/WRve0s4iWzI

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by oh_sigh »

mdemare wrote: post #24
RaceWon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting My man! 3,424 people per Day are killed in car crashes. That is 1 million and 250 Thousand people every single year who die in wrecks. Here in America alone we lose over 100 people every single day--give or take a few.

You’re more likely to be murdered in the U.S. than to be killed in a traffic accident in the Netherlands. My point being, there is a lot of room for improvement in _both_ numbers.

For certain definitions of "you". There are small subsets of the population which account for large percentages of homicides in the US, and they mostly kill each other(gangs).

I, personally, based on my demographics, activities, and location, have a very low chance of being murdered. Less than the average European. But probably more than a European of similar traits to me. But the odds at that point are so low it is really irrelevant in life.

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Post by AstralStorm »

noir_lord wrote: post #4

Next up, guns on the cameras, human in the loop is too slow so they wire the guns to the AI directly but then they realise that it would be better if the AI was mobile, after an extensive beta program. Education Droid (ED), v209 (ED-209 for short) is deployed to all high schools nationwide.

I think this is a Judge Dredd reference, is that correct?

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by amelius »

tastroder wrote: post #26
knob wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who h…

> Please look up hard-data. Do you mean data from all the studies covered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use that seem to come loaded with critizism and are from the 90s? If we're just pulling random studies to prove our point I'd like to point out https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jels.12219 as covered in https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-11/-more-... which seems to dis…

Interesting article.

> “The most frequent occurrence each year involving crime and a good guy with a gun is not self‐defense but rather the theft of the good guy’s gun, which occurs hundreds of thousands of times each year,” the new study points out.

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Post by braythwayt »

AstralStorm wrote: post #33
noir_lord wrote: post #4

Next up, guns on the cameras, human in the loop is too slow so they wire the guns to the AI directly but then they realise that it would be better if the AI was mobile, after an extensive beta program. Education Droid (ED), v209 (ED-209 for short) is deployed to all high schools nationwide.

I think this is a Judge Dredd reference, is that correct?

You youngsters!

It’s a Westworld reference. No, not the television show. The original 1973 Yul Brynner picture.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by SapporoChris »

amelius wrote: post #18
knob wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who h…

> fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. That problem too can be addressed through statistics. How often does a fingerprint sensor fail really? Note that the system could be made to err on the safe side. And could a different technology like Apple's faceId provide a solution perhaps? > A central database with who has what gun at what time? I'm against it. Could you explain why?

Yes! I'd love to see Apple's faceId used. Please hold the gun in reverse, stare down the barrel for best results. Gently squeeze trigger to activate face scan.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by nimbius »

>A mouse click instructed the artificial-intelligence-equipped system to find other images of the woman, and it immediately stitched them into a video narrative of her immediate location, where she had been and where she was going.

So, convenient parallel construction at the click of a mouse?

>AI is transforming surveillance cameras from passive sentries into active observers that can identify people, suspicious behavior and guns

Thats quite a leap from pattern tracking and user-instructed operation.

>“It’s almost kind of scary,” Tait said. “It will look at the expressions on people’s faces and their mannerisms and be able to tell if they look violent.”

If you read my face as a High School kid, im sure it would flag a majority of the time. I was one of those kids who was bullied and picked on often. Teachers take no action, administrators ignore the problem, and sooner or later the kid who gets smacked or hit or teased every day becomes determined with nothing to lose.

I still dont see how more advanced cameras solve the problem of mass shootings in the United States, when regular cameras routinely fail to do anything but record events. No one ever said "well if we only had a better surveillance camera" after a shooting occurred. Its security theater at best, and ignores the real problem.

No one shoots up a private boarding school, or a country club, or a gated community so no action will be taken. Wealthy Americans have entirely removed themselves from this problem by constructing a second society, and until they experience mass shootings there isnt likely to be any real improvement.

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Post by notahacker »

amelius wrote: post #8

Why not put more intelligence into guns. E.g. fingerprint sensors, determine how often/when they are taken out of the house, ... Update: zoning technology could prevent guns from being used at schools.

Because ultimately the problem is political, not technological, and the organizations that campaign in favour of near-unrestricted gun ownership will oppose the idea of technological restrictions on gun usage with the same fervour they oppose the more established route to lower gun deaths through ownership restrictions.

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Post by rayiner »

king_magic wrote: post #20
the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

I agree that no fly lists are a bit much, but I’m 100% in favor of red flag laws. RE: red flag laws, I don’t see them rising to the level of thought crime. For example, I do not think it is unreasonable to use a legal process involving a judge to take away guns (either temporarily or permanently) from unstable people who are making thinly veiled threats. Society should have that right, and I for one fully support it.…

Saying it louder doesn’t make the point less ridiculous. Mass shooting deaths have never exceeded 80 per year. Nobody is panicked about West Nile fever anymore, but it still causes 100+ deaths per year. You’d think engineers would be resistant to such blatant emotional manipulation, but I guess not.

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Post by MiroF »

king_magic wrote: post #20
the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

I agree that no fly lists are a bit much, but I’m 100% in favor of red flag laws. RE: red flag laws, I don’t see them rising to the level of thought crime. For example, I do not think it is unreasonable to use a legal process involving a judge to take away guns (either temporarily or permanently) from unstable people who are making thinly veiled threats. Society should have that right, and I for one fully support it.…

> Equating mass shootings to basically the “well, terrorism is so rare you’re more likely to get crushed by your TV” scare tactic argument isn’t really fair. I’m sorry, 283* mass shootings in one year in one country is absolutely insane. It’s not a scare tactic, this is quite literally a mass shooting crisis.

Want to take a stab at how likely it is that you are in a school shooting, even if there were 280 shootings involving three or more people?

To be clear, I definitely support gun control. But I also support expanding medicare/medicaid and I'm probably going to fight more the second than the first when one is likely to save many more lives.

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