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Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by onion2k »

knob wrote: post #10
amelius wrote: post #8

Why not put more intelligence into guns. E.g. fingerprint sensors, determine how often/when they are taken out of the house, ... Update: zoning technology could prevent guns from being used at schools.

Addressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who h…

The FBI has statistics on "defensive gun use", reporting that it happens over 250,000 times per year.

How many of those incidents are someone with a gun shooting at someone else who also has a gun? If guns were banned neither person would have a gun, so the defensive shooting might not be necessary.

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Post by onion2k »

the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

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Post by mtgx »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #6
Insanity wrote: post #5

That's like a hack to cover up a fundamental flaw in the system..

Are gun laws a bug in the system, fixable albeit a hard bug to fix. Or, as I suspect, a design flaw that is impossible to fix. So you have to patch around it.

It's not impossible to fix. Australia did it.

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Post by mdemare »

RaceWon wrote: post #7
the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

> You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting My man! 3,424 people per Day are killed in car crashes. That is 1 million and 250 Thousand people every single year who die in wrecks. Here in America alone we lose over 100 people every single day--give or take a few.

You’re more likely to be murdered in the U.S. than to be killed in a traffic accident in the Netherlands.

My point being, there is a lot of room for improvement in _both_ numbers.

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Post by mtgx »

the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

The US also has automatic "papers please" now with the verification of social media accounts.

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Post by tastroder »

knob wrote: post #10
amelius wrote: post #8

Why not put more intelligence into guns. E.g. fingerprint sensors, determine how often/when they are taken out of the house, ... Update: zoning technology could prevent guns from being used at schools.

Addressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who h…

> Please look up hard-data.

Do you mean data from all the studies covered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use that seem to come loaded with critizism and are from the 90s?

If we're just pulling random studies to prove our point I'd like to point out https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jels.12219 as covered in https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-11/-more-... which seems to disbunk this whole "good guy with a gun" thing.

> Compared to what number? 35-40,000 deaths per year involving guns? And of those, 20-30,000 are suicides.

Yeah that's not nothing and all these numbers could likely be lowered in the long run by proper gun legislation as evidenced by other countries that chose to actually do something about it. You're for the second amendment protections on gun use and that's alright but please, let's not pretend that the majority of numbers actually mean anything in these discussions.

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Post by prepend »

onion2k wrote: post #22
the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

Countries have different belief systems and thus are different. The U.K. has a queen, with the best real estate in the country set aside for personal use.

While that seems really inefficient to me as a Frenchperson, I understand that British people like it.

I’ve categorized this in the category of things that I’ve noticed but am not interested in enough to work toward the explanation, but if I ever learn it I’ll remark “hmm, that’s neat, I never knew that.”

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Post by otakucode »

onion2k wrote: post #22
the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

The primary reason for a need for guns is to retain the ability for a violent uprising to overthrow an oppressive regime should one arise. One of the benefits of the American system is that it does not assume infinite beneficence and eternal benevolence on the part of the governing body. This is wise because we know history. It doesn't make sense to fear being shot simply because many people own guns. If it did, then it would make sense to be in constant fear of vehicular homicide because automobiles are everywhere. It is not possible to make it impossible for people to harm or kill one another. Humans are hard to keep alive, not to kill. What protects you is not the inability of your neighbors to kill you - they all can, and easily - or the legal system, it is social and the philosophical outlook of those around you. Those factors are scary to people so they often pretend to not see them, but they're really the only protection humans can ever have and it is what they actually rely upon to determine if they 'feel safe.'

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #6
Insanity wrote: post #5

That's like a hack to cover up a fundamental flaw in the system..

Are gun laws a bug in the system, fixable albeit a hard bug to fix. Or, as I suspect, a design flaw that is impossible to fix. So you have to patch around it.

1. Gun laws are not the design flaw. The design flaw is a two-party system and allowing politicians to be sponsored by corporations.

2. As Dave Chappelle said: The gun laws will be fixed as soon as non-whites start buying guns en masse.

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