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EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by merb »

rsynnott wrote: post #32
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misunderstanding I see repeated a lot. The idea isn't unshackling big corporations, it's about unshackling small to medium sized businesses and entrepreneurs. Big corps actually love regulations for the barriers to entry they create, and most of them already have a whole host of regulatory compliance teams armed and ready to dissect the next big regulation that comes. > Americans get stuck with slow…

So, on the high end, the US is fine, and thus is does fairly well on mean speeds (top 10 on some metrics). However, if your internet in the US is bad, it's often really, _really_ bad. In areas without competition, providers still sometimes use ADSL1! (Max 8 down, In general, the tendency in most European countries has been to force wholesaling and/or LLU, and set minimum standards for both; this has generally at leas…

well is ADSL1 that bad? in most cases (non video on demand) bandwidth is never the problem. no matter how good your bandwidth is as soon as the latency is bad, it won't get better.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by ta6091234 »

neuronic wrote: post #23
nolok wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the EASA finds real major issue that the FAA didn’t find then the FAA being the world validation office for Boeing planes is over. But I don’t think this will happen, the FAA seem to have realized how angry the rest of the world agencies are. 350 dead because they screwed up, and their first reaction was to say it was the dead pilots fault...

The era of American exceptionalism is coming to an end and Americans are screeching from the pain. As technology leader and economic powerhouse, the US has left its cultural, political and financial footprint in Europe in the past decades but the extent of that influence is now downgraded. And the reason is inner decay. When the wall came down in Eastern Germany, we tuned into Knight Rider and MacGyver. The A-Team an…

Very well put. I hold a similar sentiment (from India, lived in US for years, now live in UK).

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#43

Post by rsynnott »

merb wrote: post #41
rsynnott wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, on the high end, the US is fine, and thus is does fairly well on mean speeds (top 10 on some metrics). However, if your internet in the US is bad, it's often really, _really_ bad. In areas without competition, providers still sometimes use ADSL1! (Max 8 down, In general, the tendency in most European countries has been to force wholesaling and/or LLU, and set minimum standards for both; this has generally at leas…

well is ADSL1 that bad? in most cases (non video on demand) bandwidth is never the problem. no matter how good your bandwidth is as soon as the latency is bad, it won't get better.

Yes, ADSL1 is that bad. 8Mbit/sec is the best case, but closer to 1 or 2 is common depending on distance from exchange. About a 30ms latency penalty, IIRC.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by rsynnott »

tompccs wrote: post #39
rsynnott wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, on the high end, the US is fine, and thus is does fairly well on mean speeds (top 10 on some metrics). However, if your internet in the US is bad, it's often really, _really_ bad. In areas without competition, providers still sometimes use ADSL1! (Max 8 down, In general, the tendency in most European countries has been to force wholesaling and/or LLU, and set minimum standards for both; this has generally at leas…

Some of the problems are unique to America - for instance, states each have their own regulations, as well as federal ones, which makes nationwide roll-out far costlier. You also have way more geographic concentration of homes in Europe, which makes the ROI for roll-out over a particular area way better. UK's utilities are generally quite good (despite grumbling), which I think is because regulators focus on creating…

I don't think the "US is big" argument really works when it comes to forcing telcos to get rid of their 20th century DSLAMs. Like, obviously ideally they'd be upgrading to something semi-modern, but even swapping out the last of the ADSL1 for ADSL2+, like it was 2006, would be an improvement.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#45

Post by oarsinsync »

merb wrote: post #41
rsynnott wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, on the high end, the US is fine, and thus is does fairly well on mean speeds (top 10 on some metrics). However, if your internet in the US is bad, it's often really, _really_ bad. In areas without competition, providers still sometimes use ADSL1! (Max 8 down, In general, the tendency in most European countries has been to force wholesaling and/or LLU, and set minimum standards for both; this has generally at leas…

well is ADSL1 that bad? in most cases (non video on demand) bandwidth is never the problem. no matter how good your bandwidth is as soon as the latency is bad, it won't get better.

There are times when my mobile speeds degrade to around 1-2Mbps (typical ADSL1 sync speeds), with variable latency depending on how much throughput is being used (typical ADSL1 experience). Webpages (being the insanely bloated things that they are today) stop loading at that point, and I have to wait for my phone to sync to a different tower. This often happens during my commute when I hit congested towers. It's annoying that the experience on a 56k dialup connection in 1999 was better than it is on a 4G mobile phone in 2019.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by icebraining »

AmVess wrote: post #33
jwr wrote: post #24

This is excellent news. The FAA has lots its credibility by rubber-stamping whatever Boeing said in recent years. This will both mean an independent review (and re-certification of what is a effectively different airplane) and additional pressure on the FAA to actually do its job.

Not recent years. Decades. FAA has been under regulatory capture by Boeing for decades. The world ignoring anything the FAA has to say about anything is a stance that's long overdue.

So the safest mode of travel is the one without real regulation for decades?

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by martin_a »

neuronic wrote: post #23
nolok wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the EASA finds real major issue that the FAA didn’t find then the FAA being the world validation office for Boeing planes is over. But I don’t think this will happen, the FAA seem to have realized how angry the rest of the world agencies are. 350 dead because they screwed up, and their first reaction was to say it was the dead pilots fault...

The era of American exceptionalism is coming to an end and Americans are screeching from the pain. As technology leader and economic powerhouse, the US has left its cultural, political and financial footprint in Europe in the past decades but the extent of that influence is now downgraded. And the reason is inner decay. When the wall came down in Eastern Germany, we tuned into Knight Rider and MacGyver. The A-Team an…

While I have never been to the US, this somewhat reflects my feelings and thoughts, too.

When I was younger I thought I really needed to go and see the USA. Then 9/11 happened and it started to go down. These days I feel sorry for probably not being able to see the US and the landscape and whatnot that is great about it, but I really can't stand the political "atmosphere" and how this influences the whole world in a negative way.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#48

Post by lefty2 »

People may not realise that Boeing was depending on a October return to service for the 737. If that doesn't happen it has to shut down it's production line and that's going to be expensive. They had put a lot of pressure on the FAA to quickly approve their latest changes.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#49

Post by jtc331 »

minikites wrote: post #31
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misunderstanding I see repeated a lot. The idea isn't unshackling big corporations, it's about unshackling small to medium sized businesses and entrepreneurs. Big corps actually love regulations for the barriers to entry they create, and most of them already have a whole host of regulatory compliance teams armed and ready to dissect the next big regulation that comes. > Americans get stuck with slow…

>Big corps actually love regulations for the barriers to entry they create, and most of them already have a whole host of regulatory compliance teams armed and ready to dissect the next big regulation that comes. So then why do big corporations spend so much time and money lobbying against regulation?

It’s more nuanced than either of these ways of putting it. They lobby for specific regulation packages that work well for keeping competitors out.

Regulation does set up barriers to entry, generally by definition. Needing to have lawyers e during compliance etc. is expensive. So $BIGCORP’s ideal position is regulation that they can absorb easily but smaller competitors can’t.

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