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Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Re: Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Post by johnchristopher »

logfromblammo wrote: post #39
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Considering how Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. benefited from international support, what can go wrong ? It's called a proxy war. Literally every other regional power is salivating over the idea of a massive thorn in China's side that a) gets them slapped with first world sanctions and b) gives them less free time to bully everyone else in the region. You're kidding yourself if you think all their intelligence agenc…

I think that if China forcefully suppresses HK, that will drive Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei--and to a lesser extent Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Australia--into a regional alliance with the US, a sort of ASEAN++/SEATO2. Its major agenda would likely be diplomatically evicting China from territorial claims in the South China Sea, particularly with…

I don't understand the reasons behind your comment being downvoted. Can someone shed some lights on parent's comment?

Re: Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Post by AWildC182 »

TomMckenny wrote: post #40
Accujack wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And people who may need to protest in the future, and rightfully so.

I hope Taiwan is watching closely, for that and several other reasons.

Taiwan is actually independent though. If Taiwan ever needed to "protest" China it would likely be after a large portion of their population was killed after somehow starting and losing a massive pseudo-proxy-war between China and the US.

Re: Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Post by logfromblammo »

johnchristopher wrote: post #41
logfromblammo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if China forcefully suppresses HK, that will drive Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei--and to a lesser extent Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Australia--into a regional alliance with the US, a sort of ASEAN++/SEATO2. Its major agenda would likely be diplomatically evicting China from territorial claims in the South China Sea, particularly with…

I don't understand the reasons behind your comment being downvoted. Can someone shed some lights on parent's comment?

The 50-Cent Brigade doesn't need a reason beyond "not unequivocally pro-China". The major obstacle to that is the karma minimum for accessing the down-voting function, but sufficient investment into a user account can get there eventually. You only need a handful with the capability to blast a newish post into the grey before too many people read it.

Re: Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Post by Aperocky »

jszymborski wrote: post #38

> In crowded situations where internet access may be near-nonexistent, Orca encourages protesters on the edge of a crowd—where data coverage is better—to download the map, then AirDrop it into the crowd so it can make its way deep into the middle. “We call it rippling out, or rather rippling in,” he said. This is by far the most interesting part for me. My fear is always what happens when authorities "turn off the ho…

It's also heavily reliant on everyone owning an iPhone while turning on public sharing

Re: Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Post by malandrew »

jszymborski wrote: post #38

> In crowded situations where internet access may be near-nonexistent, Orca encourages protesters on the edge of a crowd—where data coverage is better—to download the map, then AirDrop it into the crowd so it can make its way deep into the middle. “We call it rippling out, or rather rippling in,” he said. This is by far the most interesting part for me. My fear is always what happens when authorities "turn off the ho…

Once this technique is known, I would imagine that authorities can exploit this by uploading bogus maps or many many bogus maps so you don't know which is the legitimate map and couldn't find it quickly enough even if you did.

Re: Real-Time maps warn Hong Kong protesters of water cannons and riot police

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Post by jszymborski »

malandrew wrote: post #45
jszymborski wrote: post #38

> In crowded situations where internet access may be near-nonexistent, Orca encourages protesters on the edge of a crowd—where data coverage is better—to download the map, then AirDrop it into the crowd so it can make its way deep into the middle. “We call it rippling out, or rather rippling in,” he said. This is by far the most interesting part for me. My fear is always what happens when authorities "turn off the ho…

Once this technique is known, I would imagine that authorities can exploit this by uploading bogus maps or many many bogus maps so you don't know which is the legitimate map and couldn't find it quickly enough even if you did.

that's no more true with the web than it is with mesh systems. The HK protesters are using a source of authority for this. This can be extended in a mesh system with a web of trust, not that that's w/o it's issues.
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