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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by beatgammit »

diegoholiveira wrote: post #131
dymk wrote: post #57

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Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

> The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. Yes! One thing that help to increase mass shootings and suicide was the anti-asylum movement. many people who clearly are a danger to himself and others should be hospitalized. unfortunately asylum got a bad reputation for inhumane treatments, but modern psychiatric…

The thing that worries me about mental hospitals that don't allow the patient to leave is that whether someone can be released is very subjective. Fixing mental health issues usually requires cooperation from the patient, and that can only really happen if the patient wants it to happen.

I'm on board with increased access to mental health facilities, but I'm skeptical of using them for convicts unless the convict consents. Psychiatric treatment often involves medication, and I don't believe anyone should be forced to take medicine, especially mind-altering medication.

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Post by jki275 »

zaarn wrote: post #245
kinghajj wrote: post #224

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In the US, the 1st amendment and current case law don't support restricting that kind of speech. Only if there's an immediate, specific reaction, can the speech be curtailed, and even then it's difficult. Trying to incite a riot, for instance, can be restricted, as it could have the immediate effect of causing a riot in the area. Saying a mass shooter's name doesn't cause an immediate response, nor can you specifical…

Well then it seems the 1st amendment ought to be fixed if it's that obviously broken.

No.

Free speech is a natural right enshrined in our Constitution, and it’s not “obviously broken”. It’s a fundamental principle of our country.

Journalist must be free to report. Now, they could certainly be more responsible, as in this case - but it’s not the governments prerogative to make them so.

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Post by jki275 »

kieranmaine wrote: post #86
dymk wrote: post #57

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Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

Committing suicide is a spur of the moment action. Every impediment that makes it harder to commit suicide gives an individual valuable seconds to reconsider, at which point they might decide to use whatever health services they have access too. Limiting easy ways to commit suicide AND having good mental health services seems a better idea than one or the other.

I’m sure that it might be for some. There’s certainly the cases where someone suddenly faces the loss of their entire life through arrest for some horrific crime and kills themself in the bathroom at the last moment.

For many however - through personal experience - it is something planned for, hoped for, dreamed about - for as long as decades.

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Post by stunt »

The movies we watch can affect our decisions and choices we make in our life. And the affect is different for different people.

In the same way that those sponsored scenes already did to smoking and drinking trends. Bad driving styles, attraction to martial art etc.

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Post by jki275 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #227
mieseratte wrote: post #40

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> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines. Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom. The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. As simple as that.

> The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. No, the reason for the amendment was the perception (possibly true) that reliance on citizens militias for internal and external security was an essential guarantee of liberty, as otherwise the government would have no choice but to rely on professional forces…

That is a very tortured misunderstanding of the second amendment. I would strongly suggest reading Scalia’s decision in Heller - he thoroughly debunks this argument, and it’s now settled law, so it would be worthwhile to understand how it really is vice how revisionist historians want it to be.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by jki275 »

lutorm wrote: post #203
andrewla wrote: post #157

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"Validity" or "advisability"? I think the amendment seems fairly clear to me. I, too, disagree that it should be enshrined in the constitution, or even that it should exist as a right in such an unrestricted form. But there's no doubt that it's in there, and we already have a process for changing the constitution. If I were a Supreme Court justice, I would push to invalidate all laws that limit the ownership and carr…

I disagree that the amendment is clear. It is so obliquely written that it took the Supreme Court over 200 years to conclude that it, in fact, conveys an individual constitutional right to own a firearm.

The plain language of it clearly enshrines an individual right. No one seriously believed otherwise until the Jim crow era, when it became popular to write laws that were understood to apply to only one group of people and specifically sought into disarm them so they would be unable to defend themselves from the KKK.

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Post by jki275 »

mamon wrote: post #182
umvi wrote: post #74

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> that make it practically impossible for modern citizens to overthrow a corrupt government. Some of the citizens overthrowing the government would be in the military, though, no? Since the military is made up of normal people that live among civilians. It's more likely the military would split into factions, with the revolutionaries gaining control of a sizable chunk of tanks, airplanes, etc. Or maybe the military w…

>> Some of the citizens overthrowing the government would be in the military, though, no? Very unlikely. Biggest part of military training is brainwashing you to always following orders. People that resist brainswashing are quickly discharges as "unfit for duty".

I spent twenty three years on active duty, maybe I missed this critical part of military training somehow?

Could you point out the brainwashing sessions in Navy boot camp perhaps?

I do remember a constitutional law class we all had to take where we were specifically taught that we had an absolute duty to refuse unlawful orders, maybe you were confused and for things backwards?

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Post by vadansky »

rightbyte wrote: post #121

This is just bogus p-hacking and perverse causality analysis. Look at their graph of monthly data. https://i.imgur.com/mc8PJW8.png You can't draw any conclusion from that but that it is an overall increasing trend with cyclic tendencies by season. March prior to the release in the end of March was already all time high rate of suicides. "Table 1. Association Between the Release of 13 Reasons Why and Suicide in the Un…

Worse part is the top comments contains the following, based on this p-hacking garbage:

>The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #239
CompanionCuuube wrote: post #230

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Yes, if you use a strict denotative definition of "works" as being a method of operation. But that says nothing as to the ethical justification relative to the other case that you complained about. Your position just comes off as saying "in its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges".

I'm saying that democracy is the least worst way of a society determining the rules by which it abides. Is your position that dictating those rules under threat of violence is better?

Oh sorry, your dictating the rules with violence is much better than their dictating the rules with violence.

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Post by zaarn »

jki275 wrote: post #252
zaarn wrote: post #245

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Well then it seems the 1st amendment ought to be fixed if it's that obviously broken.

No. Free speech is a natural right enshrined in our Constitution, and it’s not “obviously broken”. It’s a fundamental principle of our country. Journalist must be free to report. Now, they could certainly be more responsible, as in this case - but it’s not the governments prerogative to make them so.

Sounds to me like it's not only broken but it should be moved from the constitution to the bible if it's that religious for you.
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