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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.
We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.
There are countries where while they have high suicide rates, guns are largely rare. In Japan they are largely unattainable. On the other hand the 7-11 and Lawson’s has books about “100 ways to do it and not leave a mess for your family”.
Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#153Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#154Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…
NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…
Why shouldn't it be legally restricted?
You're forced to wear seatbelts for safety reasons, why shouldn't you be forced to keep killers anonymous.
Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.
I disagree. Calling to organizations like Netflix to be aware of an issue and act responsibly is very different than calling for a ban on free speech. They made an artistic and ratings decision without being aware of the ramifications. Future studios should not make the same mistake.
The fact that suicides come in clusters almost like a contagious disease has been well known for a very long time.
If Netflix was oblivious about that when they were working on the show, there was plenty of chance to become aware if they paid attention to the outcry before the show came out.
Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#156https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_cau...
Did you even bother to read the article? They state this themselves. > The lack of change in homicide rates during the period of interest lends some strength to the idea that changes in suicide rates were influenced by the show and not some other environmental or social factor that occurred during this period. [...] > While compelling, this research had several limitations. For example, the study used a quasi-experim…
no, I didn't bother to read the press release and I do not have access to the source journal.
Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.
> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.
"Validity" or "advisability"?
I think the amendment seems fairly clear to me. I, too, disagree that it should be enshrined in the constitution, or even that it should exist as a right in such an unrestricted form. But there's no doubt that it's in there, and we already have a process for changing the constitution.
If I were a Supreme Court justice, I would push to invalidate all laws that limit the ownership and carrying of guns or any armaments by private citizens. This is really the only thing that would force us as a nation to come to some sort of consensus on what the bounds of gun regulation and legislation should be, on a constitutional level.
Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Makes sense. But how do we address it? It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Perhaps the show could have been rated for adults only? It seems like teens today do face challenges that weren’t faced by my generation or the ones before that. Social media, internet enabled always on devices seem to have changed the experience of being a teenager. Perhaps there are deeper issues at stake that…
>It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Sure you can. Stop watching it. Tell your friends to stop watching it and why . The media nowadays is all about going over the top and sensationalizing things because that's what gets the eyeballs on the screens and that's where the advertisements get them money. Hurt their wallets and they'll stop.
Ok, I didn't watch it. I described it as "some teen drama series glorifying a girl who commits suicide" whenever the show was mentioned. I advised my kids (who are nearly adult age) that they shouldn't even bother with it (they didn't watch it).
Did it work?
There is far too much momentum behind mass-market media for this nearly passive resistance to be effective. Things like "'13 Reasons Why' linked to 29% increase in in teen suicides 1 month later" have far more impact and are more effective. Public outrage seems to work, for better or worse.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
50% of suicide in the USA are via firearms, 2.4% are by falling (off bridges or other structures). Focusing on lowering the 2.4% number is not going to be as effective as focusing on the 50% one. https://www.sprc.org/means-suicide It turns out more willpower/commitment is needed to jump off a bridge than pull a trigger. The same with stabbing or suffocating yourself. Yes, someone with lots of willpower/commitment wil…
Yeah, but lowering the 50% one will increase usage of the other methods significantly. The US isn't magically going to have insanely low suicide rates if you make guns illegal. Sad/depressed/broken people are still sad/depressed/broken (nothing has changed on that front). There will be a slight drop in overall suicides and a very large increase in non-firearm suicide attempts (re: Japan). Here's an idea that doesn't…
>Yeah, but lowering the 50% one will increase usage of the other methods significantly.
The evidence says otherwise. Most suicidal ideation is brief and impulsive, so making it harder to access effective means of suicide doesn't just lead to a substitution. Multiple studies have found a lasting reduction in the overall suicide rate after a highly lethal means of suicide became less easily available.
The majority of people who survive a suicide attempt say that they decided to attempt suicide less than an hour beforehand; simply increasing the delay between impulse and action can be life-saving.
90% of people who attempt suicide do not go on to make a further attempt, so merely inducing people to choose a less lethal method is a net win.
Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.
People say that about address mental illness, etc, but what to me is profound about this is that the mere suggestion/glorification increased rates. There will always be impressionable people out there in some kind of state... you can’t fundamentally eliminate sadness in the world. And certainly you can’t eliminate teenage angst, which is likely the real culprit here. We need some level of balance here.. unlimited gun…
> And certainly you can’t eliminate teenage angst, which is likely the real culprit here.
So why weren't teenagers in the 60s shooting up crowded places with full-auto machine guns (they were fully legal and accessible back then)?