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What did you think was in the leaks? In my experience, when people say their parents or friends didn't believe what they said was in the leaks, the parents and friends were usually right.
I'm sorry but you are either implying that the leaks were fake or that 'parents and friends' are always right. In both cases I'll disagree heavily.
(Not agreeing, just explaining.)
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> I can’t understand how this news would surprise anyone I tried to tell my family about the Snowden leaks and the implications just a year ago. They are all university educated people. They categorically did not believe that what I was saying was real, and when I showed them all the leaks they did not believe the content was true. Billions of people simply don't believe it's true.
I know I should not post reaction-posts here. But this is Truly Horrifying in more than one way. Did they not even investigate your claim? Or did they just settle with labeling you a crackpot conspiracy theorist?
While still billions of people believe in Allah, God or whatever without any evidence. I dont know how this can happen...
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What did you think was in the leaks? In my experience, when people say their parents or friends didn't believe what they said was in the leaks, the parents and friends were usually right.
What does this comment even mean?
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What did you think was in the leaks? In my experience, when people say their parents or friends didn't believe what they said was in the leaks, the parents and friends were usually right.
That the NSA and GCHQ were illegally collecting phone records and internet browsing details of anyone they wanted. The fact that the UK government recently passed a law[0] to make this legal makes it pretty clear that this is real. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/snoopers-chart...
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I know I should not post reaction-posts here. But this is Truly Horrifying in more than one way. Did they not even investigate your claim? Or did they just settle with labeling you a crackpot conspiracy theorist?
Same as climate change, no info is real... I'm not sure it is because we humans grow stupid or we grow so tired and sceptical that accept nothing what our own eyes see... While still billions of people believe in Allah, God or whatever without any evidence. I dont know how this can happen...
Isn't it obvious? In both cases people do the smart thing (which is not necessarily the "objectively correct" thing).
Faith in Allah, God etc, is a good social glue, and is personally comforting, helping regulate emotions, etc.
Similarly, not believing the Snowden story helps them fit with their social group (e.g. republicans), relaxes their mind from a whole lot of worries and concerns, helps re-enforce their personal beliefs (e.g. in good government), etc -- and most importantly, has no real disadvantage in their day to day life and work...
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It surprises me as a South African because I didn't know our government had the technical capability or capacity to store and process so much data, let alone splice undersea cables without detection.
Fellow South African here, you'd be very surprised then with the capabilities of our spy agency. Very secretive by hugely funded. The former apartheid spies went on to consult for the current government, and they were all very highly trained. In fact one of the precursors to the mass surveillance tech made famous by Snowden, was actually developed at a firm in Stellenbosch in the late 90's to early 00's. That was the…
Didn't know about the precursor tech being developed in Stellenbosch as well, do you have any sources on that? I'd be interested to see who was involved.
Agreed on the intel community generally being in a grey area as far as the law is concerned, it's a struggle enough keeping them impartial and not meddling in domestic affairs - talking about JZ being head of the ANC's intelligence in exile brings back memories of his ultimate succession of Thabo Mbeki and former spy chief Billy Masetlha's role in that.
[0] https://mg.co.za/article/2011-09-02-sa-firm-helped-gaddafi-s...
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I'm sorry but you are either implying that the leaks were fake or that 'parents and friends' are always right. In both cases I'll disagree heavily.
I think they're implying that the leaks often don't say what people think they say. (Not agreeing, just explaining.)
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if they don't have the expertise, someone else with the expertise interested in access to the data will help them.
Hasn't China been doing this all over Africa and South America?
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What does this comment even mean?
It means that people think the leaks say what Greenwald claimed they said instead of what they actually said, and when those people tell their parents what Greenwald said, they sound like lunatics. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20456352
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Often at exorbitant cost in our case. The SSA is an unaccountable financial black hole. Our former president send to have also used them for his political gain, this Fraser chap is responsible for many misdeeds. Now parts of our country are literally burning, yet there's no crime intelligence about the very threats to the state that SSA should be monitoring for. There was an act of terror that was nearly committed 2…
> There was an act of terror that was nearly committed 2 days ago Please can you provide a link to more info on this?
https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/kwazulu-natal/two-truck...