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Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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post #75

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Satellite phones are extremely easy to determine point of origin, give or take 20m. That's enough to dispatch police or worse, launch an airstrike.

That's exactly how Dzhokhar Dudayev was killed: using two laser guided missiles while he spoke on sat phone. The signal was interceped by a Russian reconaissance aircraft.

This tactic has been used a number of times that I'm aware of, in Eastern Europe, South America and the Middle East.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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post #26

I just tried the app via the US App Store and it requires you to verify through SMS before use. This means that it’s neither anonymous nor fit for use in a disaster zone. Good example of software that would be better if open source.

For an open source, anonymous version of this check out the Briar Project: https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/

Exactly this. I don't see any other solution that offers remotely near the same privacy that Briar does.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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I had the same experience and was disappointed. But a good mesh app is inherently difficult to monetize! Combining mesh over some/several form(s) of 802.11, Signal protocol public key distribution "locally" via QR code, and Delay-Tolerant Networking (Cerf et al. 2007) would be the holy grail (and would have no reliance on SMS or phone number) and also could not be monetized. Which is a damn shame, because it's eminen…

Does everything need to be monetized?

These days? It appears so.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

#104
post #26

I just tried the app via the US App Store and it requires you to verify through SMS before use. This means that it’s neither anonymous nor fit for use in a disaster zone. Good example of software that would be better if open source.

For an open source, anonymous version of this check out the Briar Project: https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/

Briar is definitely far superior. However, one major drawback is that it is not cross platform. This alone means it won't gain traction in the Hong Kong protests, unfortunately.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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post #73
post #54

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This kind of device matching can be done across any of the carriers or their MVNOs, all of them give up the data when asked by a government entity. Many tower locations will even be identical across carriers, making the matching even easier. Also this correlation could be done with stingray towers without bringing the cell carriers into the loop.

With the higher clustered protestors the tower linking won't be as identifiable as you might think.

It may take longer to get enough samples to filter out unwanted user associations but if you have all the data points from every tower retroactively over ~10 weeks of protest it's going to be difficult to hide.

I don't think gp here is in china, but rather just offering their procedure for acquiring a burner phone.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

#106
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly how Dzhokhar Dudayev was killed: using two laser guided missiles while he spoke on sat phone. The signal was interceped by a Russian reconaissance aircraft.

This tactic has been used a number of times that I'm aware of, in Eastern Europe, South America and the Middle East.

...and not just with satellite phones, a normal phone suffices.

A drone will act as a receiver/relay for the phone signal, and then triangulate the phone's location.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

#107
post #33

I find the idea interesting, but is there some kind of open-source alternative that would be available on F-Droid? This would be extremely useful since you can share your F-Droid archive over bluetooth, and that would also allow the app to be distributed the same way. One less way for the authorities to block the app from being acquired.

People have been talking about Briar in another comment thread:

https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/

Seems to be available on F-Droid, but unfortunately is not cross-platform.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

#108
post #24

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This burner phone and your "real" phone are going to be easy to correlate retroactively based on the towers they are both hitting

I'm not the only one using my tower I am sure about that. I am not that special.

yes of course, but if the burner and your real phone establish any kind of pattern it will be obvious after the fact to anyone who can analyze the records.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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No closed source mesh networking can be secure. However good user experience it has. They are no different than using WhatsApp. Indeed in that respect at least Signal is better. I am not sure why protestors did not adopt the open source serval mesh project apk and ios app. [1] In Hong Kong given the density of building it's bit hard to have a line of sight, so it will still be hard to build a local network. But it's…

Because Serval isn't in the App Store yet?
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