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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by adrianN »

mieseratte wrote: post #78
adrianN wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Men are more successful, but women try more often.

> Men are more successful, but women try more often. What's the source behind that, particularly how do they count "try," e.g. is it self-reported or based on emergency services dispatched? Does something like sitting in your closet with a 12GA in your mouth for 30 minutes only to emerge unscathed, to never speak of it again count as a try?

The Wikipedia article linked above:

> Although females attempt suicide at a higher rate, they are more likely to use methods that are less immediately lethal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#...

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

awakeasleep wrote: post #115
giggles_giggles wrote: post #102

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I'm surprised that what shooters like/do not like can be generalized like this. I would have expected that it was more dependent upon the specific psychology of the shooter than this.

Especially interesting that this is 'known' considering how most shooters die in the event.

A lot of the research about shooters can be based on their manifestos/writings, and many shooters have shown interest in previous shooters and coverage of them, so that's probably where a lot of this could be drawn from.

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Post by aaomidi »

scarface74 wrote: post #66
aaomidi wrote: post #35

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Back when hollywood was facing censorship they realized they need to self censor or stats like this will be used against them. This is an example of where Netflix acted without thinking what impacts a show like this will have. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and this was on Netflix to resolve. The first step in this case would be to take it down from Netflix. Or they're going to face people calling for it to be taken dow…

You mean the same "state" that blames "violent video games" for mass violence ignoring the centuries of lynching in the US?

I never said the state is an always good or always bad entity. It's there to respond to people, and sometimes make its own shit up because of money.

I'm just explaining the system we have right now and how netflix is playing with fire.

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Post by penagwin »

jammygit wrote: post #76
penagwin wrote: post #17

Depression is a tough topic. Speaking from experience here, it's healthy to talk about your feelings, etc. But if you look at the communities like # depression on tumblr/reddit etc, I bet it will make healthy people feel a bit depressed. In kinda a cyclic issue, the problem is that depressed people need to sorrounded them selves with happy people to talk to, consume more positive media,etc. Otherwise you end up feedi…

I actually disagree somewhat: if I’m feeling terrible, happy music makes me feel worse but something a little similar to my mood is soothing. I think that’s why Marilyn Manson and NIN were so popular Edit: this is to an extent only. Burying yourself in an extremely negative place does make things worse if you spend too much time there or go in too deep

I understand that feeling for sure! One of the common coping strategies (this is a real strategy) my doctors have tried with me is: "Think about how others are in worse situations".

But for me that made me feel worse. I'm financially stable, decently intelligent, have been given a great start at life, etc. yet I can't go to the grocery store without having a panic attack? How pathetic is that? On paper I should have nothing to complain about - but the depression SAID NO.

So I definitely understand how you feel. It's kinda like how if you just broke up with somebody serious, watching a makeout scene in a movie would just suck.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

rhcom2 wrote: post #44
umvi wrote: post #10

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The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

I think that's kind of their point. Access to a free and independent press also increases the chance of a successful suicide.

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Post by cameronbrown »

aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

> When I was in high school, we had a student commit suicide, which we ended up having 1 school meeting regarding it, but after about a week it had been forgotten by most and swept under the rug as everyone moved on to the next thing.

I've had a similar situation, but with the total opposite experience. The entire town had railed around the event.

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Post by myth_buster »

umvi wrote: post #10
aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

The only way we us a society can make progress is by critically analyzing our beliefs and biases and correcting them.

> used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms

The implicit assumption in your statement appears to be that constitutional amendments are invalid/ineffective. But that's far from the truth as its a man made artifact and reflects the beliefs and biases of its times which may or may not hold true in the present.

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Post by tyingq »

jfrankamp wrote: post #126
asadlionpk wrote: post #18

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That would be true if all the population watched the series at t0. But in reality the series is always new to someone somewhere.

I think the parent was implying that the show's effect was time shifting imminent suicides to 'now'. Since the consumption of streaming media is big-spike-on-release + long tail, that big spike when the show is released would still be visible. It would look like a spike and then dip for suicides averaging to the trend line on a larger time scale.

That's a terrific summary. Thank you. I'm predicting a dip based on acceleration versus any real additive effect. I could certainly be wrong but the stats would be enlightening.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

mieseratte wrote: post #122
jakelazaroff wrote: post #92

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It will always be weird to me that threatening to murder other citizens for some vague, ill-defined hypothetical transgression is a mainstream, mostly accepted political viewpoint here in the US.

> It will always be weird to me that threatening to murder other citizens for some vague, ill-defined hypothetical transgression is a mainstream, mostly accepted political viewpoint here in the US. It's weird to me that advocating for the cessation of an absolute right to self-defense is a mainstream political position. It's not as if history is one peachy peace-and-love orgy.

Let me clarify: the reason that viewpoint is weird to me is that it's essentially political terrorism. A small minority of citizens are essentially saying "we want the law to be this way, and if it isn't, we will murder you". But for some reason we've collectively decided that no, it's actually normal for people to dictate the law under threat of violence.

The other side here is basically just people supporting and voting for the laws they think will improve society, a.k.a. democracy working normally.

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