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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by kazinator »

kortilla wrote: post #73
rhcom2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

So does access to knives, chemicals and high places.

Suicide by firearm is (or can be) certain and instant.

People who would not be able to stick a knife into themselves fatally, or dare to jump off a high place, are nevertheless capable of shooting themselves.

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Post by throwaway_law »

rhcom2 wrote: post #44
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

>We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide.

We also know poverty and financial stress leads to increased suicide, in fact close to 20% are directly related.

and yet, while the stock market is at record highs, companies are more profitable than ever, workers are more efficient than ever, inequality and debt has skyrocketed to historical highs.

The real question is what would come first: gun regulation(s) or some reforms to our economy so people are not living hand to mouth, indebted their entire lives, and have access to healthcare which includes mental health. My guess is neither. People in the US will continue to offer hopes and prayers (over social media no less for the virtue signaling and likes) but the vast majority wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

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Post by duxup »

giggles_giggles wrote: post #102
duxup wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

I'm surprised that what shooters like/do not like can be generalized like this. I would have expected that it was more dependent upon the specific psychology of the shooter than this.

IIRC a lot of mass shooters are focused on the aftermath and coverage / impact of their acts and what they imagine the media coverage is was important to a lot of them.

I suspect there are exceptions.

Also due to the number of people available for study I have to think certainly possible that things aren't as the study implied.

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Post by avgDev »

dpkonofa wrote: post #72
pm90 wrote: post #8

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Makes sense. But how do we address it? It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Perhaps the show could have been rated for adults only? It seems like teens today do face challenges that weren’t faced by my generation or the ones before that. Social media, internet enabled always on devices seem to have changed the experience of being a teenager. Perhaps there are deeper issues at stake that…

>It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Sure you can. Stop watching it. Tell your friends to stop watching it and why . The media nowadays is all about going over the top and sensationalizing things because that's what gets the eyeballs on the screens and that's where the advertisements get them money. Hurt their wallets and they'll stop.

This will never work IMO. Media has done the work, the work is based on science. Some people are turned off by current news media but they know more eye balls will tune in if it is over the top. These companies are exploiting human nature.

We cannot hurt their wallets because generally people don't care. Maybe eventually humans will change. However, once they notice different trends they will adopt. They don't care either, they just maximizing profits. It is simple really.

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Post by awakeasleep »

giggles_giggles wrote: post #102
duxup wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

I'm surprised that what shooters like/do not like can be generalized like this. I would have expected that it was more dependent upon the specific psychology of the shooter than this.

Especially interesting that this is 'known' considering how most shooters die in the event.

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Post by jdavis703 »

aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

> Real suicide is not so glorious and does not leave a much of an impact as you would think, other than on the immediate family.

This isn't true. I can still remember the bloodied face of a woman I saw struck by a train. I remember the pedastrian strikes I've seen whenever I ride past the location or go through the station.

If I jump in front of a train I can delay tens of thousands of people. I'm wasting several person years of other people's time. I might get in the news just for that.

The train engineer will remember that moment for the rest of their life. So will the people who saw my jump. And the maintenance man who has to clean my blood and guts off the train will also remember.

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Post by ggreer »

sigstoat wrote: post #107
ggreer wrote: post #69

The full text is on Sci-hub: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.jaac.2019.04.020 I'm extremely skeptical. I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rates at the right time. Also, the show is about a girl who kills herself, but the female rate of suicide didn't increase enough to be considered statistically significant. Lastly, the spike in suicid…

> I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rate at the right time. and they still reported 9 different categorizations (overall/male/female * 3 age groups), and could only find one with a change. it isn't clear to me if they corrected for the multiple comparisons they did report.

Right, but that doesn't tell me how many other ways they carved the data up and didn't report it in the paper. Maybe they initially chose different age groups (10-22, 23-50, >50) and found no effect. Then they tweaked the categories and tada, controversial paper!

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Post by malandrew »

ggreer wrote: post #69

The full text is on Sci-hub: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.jaac.2019.04.020 I'm extremely skeptical. I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rates at the right time. Also, the show is about a girl who kills herself, but the female rate of suicide didn't increase enough to be considered statistically significant. Lastly, the spike in suicid…

Maybe I missed it in the article, but did they check the Netflix viewing history of those that committed suicide. Seems like that would be a critical causal link. If a show about suicide is available on Netflix and no one is around to watch it...

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Post by mieseratte »

TheArcane wrote: post #97
mieseratte wrote: post #40

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> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines. Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom. The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. As simple as that.

> when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? At least that's what they're for in my part of the world.

> Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for?

That works fine and well until the police are the ones kicking in your door to drag you away.

Fortunately for us all, that's not a thing that ever happens.

Since it clearly needs said, the 2A is not about day-to-day life. It's about large-scale societal failure modes.

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Post by nf8nnfufuu »

giggles_giggles wrote: post #102
duxup wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

I'm surprised that what shooters like/do not like can be generalized like this. I would have expected that it was more dependent upon the specific psychology of the shooter than this.

Especially since a lot of shooters end up dead by the end of the shooting, so it would be difficult to determine what they like about the reports of their amok run.
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