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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

#81
A pet peeve of mine is the noble suicide trope used often in film and tv. Armageddon, Aliens, Endgame, 7 Pounds, its everywhere. I haven't seen any research but I imagine it could normalize suicide in the minds of the impressionable young.

I get that's its an effective (though artistically blunt) plot device but I would prefer that it be used less.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Males commit suicide more, in general (in western countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide Edit - as for why there were more male suicides linked to this show, one reason for male suicides in western countries is the increasing marginalisation of men (whereas in countries with more female suicides or a more equal ratio, women are highly marginalised). If the show glorifies suicide as a…

Men are more successful, but women try more often.

If you take the statistics at face value, men are literally 10x more effective at committing suicide.

Attempting suicide has very different meanings for men and women. All too often the "but women try more!" is a what-about-the-womens attempt to distract from a very real, distinctly male problem.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

Makes sense. But how do we address it? It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Perhaps the show could have been rated for adults only? It seems like teens today do face challenges that weren’t faced by my generation or the ones before that. Social media, internet enabled always on devices seem to have changed the experience of being a teenager. Perhaps there are deeper issues at stake that…

I don't think we really understand the root causes of suicide and we don't have mechanisms for intervention outside of an actual saved suicide attempt. I don't think we have support mechanisms in society. Also society itself has become more divisive and less kind. I think we need to become a kinder society. Access to firearms is also a problem because it makes the initial attempt much more likely to succeed. High school kids need to know that it gets better, there are more options in life than academic success and going to the "right" school. We should also remove the future burden of student loans.

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We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

50% of suicide in the USA are via firearms, 2.4% are by falling (off bridges or other structures). Focusing on lowering the 2.4% number is not going to be as effective as focusing on the 50% one.

https://www.sprc.org/means-suicide

It turns out more willpower/commitment is needed to jump off a bridge than pull a trigger. The same with stabbing or suffocating yourself. Yes, someone with lots of willpower/commitment will work around it, but for those just teetering on the edge guns are very very effective.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

Committing suicide is a spur of the moment action. Every impediment that makes it harder to commit suicide gives an individual valuable seconds to reconsider, at which point they might decide to use whatever health services they have access too. Limiting easy ways to commit suicide AND having good mental health services seems a better idea than one or the other.

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Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

I disagree. Calling to organizations like Netflix to be aware of an issue and act responsibly is very different than calling for a ban on free speech. They made an artistic and ratings decision without being aware of the ramifications. Future studios should not make the same mistake.

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> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack 87 deaths from a truck ramming attack. The existing licensing system was obviously insufficient to prevent this attack. What do you suggest be done to prevent attacks like this in the future?

Bringing up one truck-based mass murder from 3 years ago in reply to a comment about US gun violence seems like whataboutism.

If that's not your intent, can you clarify what your intent is? I'm probably not the only one who read it that way.

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Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

It didn't almost glorify suicide, it 100% glorified suicide.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Males commit suicide more, in general (in western countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide Edit - as for why there were more male suicides linked to this show, one reason for male suicides in western countries is the increasing marginalisation of men (whereas in countries with more female suicides or a more equal ratio, women are highly marginalised). If the show glorifies suicide as a…

Men are more successful, but women try more often.

Citation?

It seems likely that men are less likely to talk about it afterwards too, which might be complicating

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