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Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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> 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users To clarify, do you mean a million monthly Brave users? Or just a million monthly users in general? 10 cents a day might actually be a lot if you were only getting one or two Brave users a month.

Users in general. We can't track Brave users because it blocks Google Analytics.

>We can't track Brave users because it blocks Google Analytics.

Isn't it possible to somehow look at user agents and do a raw count with some JS?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Users in general. We can't track Brave users because it blocks Google Analytics.

>We can't track Brave users because it blocks Google Analytics. Isn't it possible to somehow look at user agents and do a raw count with some JS?

This should be possible by monitoring server logs with something like GoAccess

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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You're right. Do you have a better solution? I'm not asking to be glib, I actually want a browser that does a better job of protecting my privacy.

They might need an Apple-like "courage" moment, and replace Google with DuckDuckGo or Startpage as their default search service. Come to think of it, I would expect the same move from Apple as well, on Safari.

That would kill their primary revenue source. I agree, it needs to be done. Hopefully the new Mozilla CEO will figure out a way to do it.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Whatever Mozilla's focus is when you load Firefox you experience the following: 1. On ESR first time it loads two pages load including https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/60.8.0/firstrun/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ You then find first party cookies are set by Google Analytics _ga GA1.2.1671101194.1567114471 _gat_UA-36116321-1 1 _gid GA1.2.377831647.1567114471 In the EU this would breach the ePri…

You're right. Do you have a better solution? I'm not asking to be glib, I actually want a browser that does a better job of protecting my privacy.

No solution, but I think we'll never find one if debate, about problems with web privacy, suggests Mozilla is the answer - until they put into actions their words, they shouldn't be seen as the way to go.

Whilst I have reservations about Brave, from a privacy standpoint they appear to be more trustworthy and some of the actions they are involved with, like complaints to regulators are far beyond anything we've seen of Mozilla - sure they may have corporate motives, but right now they appear to align far better with consumer privacy.

There are forks of Firefox that are trying to improve on delivery of privacy

https://tracker.pureos.net/w/pureos/policy/purebrowser/

https://github.com/intika/Librefox

I am not wholly comfortable using Brave because of its dependency on Chromium, too much of a dependency on a single web rendering engine reminds me of IE days.

I would suggest to anyone, install them both and more, you might love browsing the web in emacs (someone must) - if you find a website that doesn't work on Firefox and you need Chrome, then why not use Brave instead?

Personally I'm trying both, I also bought a Librem Laptop so I have PureBrowser too and I'm not afraid to throw some of my money and inconvenience at products that are better at protecting my privacy: for techies we can all do this with relative ease. For non-techies, which is where we really need the sea of change (and who are unlikely to read this), then we can advise them towards Apple's products and make them aware of products like Brave so it can be their "backup" browser if not their first choice - not perfect, but I'd prefer my family to browse using Safari, Firefox (with privacy settings I have to sit down and sort out for them) or Brave; than Chrome.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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How about the business model the content producers choose for themselves, instead of one that is forced on them by a rent seeking company with good PR? If I have ads on my site, I have no interest in someone replacing them and taking a cut.

How does your site deal with ad blocking users? Do you block them from your website? Isn't it kind of nice that at least some of these users, despite not wanting your ads, still want to find a way to pay you, even going to the point of installing an alternate browser for the opportunity to do so? And in any case, you could always block Brave users from your site if you wanted to. How's anything being forced on you he…

Let's say I put out a cookie jar out with a sign that says "Take a cookie, leave a dollar". You come by and take a cookie and leave a piece of string. You're not improving my business model.

The Brave thing is just a weird way to feel better about breaking an implicit social contract.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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> 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users To clarify, do you mean a million monthly Brave users? Or just a million monthly users in general? 10 cents a day might actually be a lot if you were only getting one or two Brave users a month.

Users in general. We can't track Brave users because it blocks Google Analytics.

That’s a feature for me as a user.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Mozilla's focus is user's rights online and privacy. They have a track record doing that. Brave (AKA AdBuddy) is just another product, desperately looking for a revenue stream, notably believing contaminating all news regarding browser technology with its presence is the way to go. The last thing the world needs is a predatory vendor trying to force itself somewhere it's not needed. Its non existing market share is t…

Whatever Mozilla's focus is when you load Firefox you experience the following: 1. On ESR first time it loads two pages load including https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/60.8.0/firstrun/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ You then find first party cookies are set by Google Analytics _ga GA1.2.1671101194.1567114471 _gat_UA-36116321-1 1 _gid GA1.2.377831647.1567114471 In the EU this would breach the ePri…

The downvotes you are receiving for pointing out facts illustrates the cesspool of Firefox hypocrisy that hacker news has become.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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It doesn’t speak for Mozilla that even with these people Chromium turned out to be the better option.

Mozilla has been admitting that Gecko is a huge drag since around the time they decided to break the extension model.

Actually, they have said so for much longer. The fact they started writing a completely new engine (Servo) in early 2012 was in itself an admission of defeat -- so many "embeddable Gecko" projects have been started and killed, over the years, that the only way forward is to replace with something new.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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> The average mobile browser user pays as much as $23 a month in data charges to download ads and trackers — that’s $276 a year. Is that true?

That seems absurd to me. I don't even pay that much for all of my unlimited data, calls and texts in Ireland.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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> 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users To clarify, do you mean a million monthly Brave users? Or just a million monthly users in general? 10 cents a day might actually be a lot if you were only getting one or two Brave users a month.

Users in general. We can't track Brave users because it blocks Google Analytics.

sure you can. easily done with basic server side tracking by parsing the User-Agent header. you should be logging this any way in some kind of access log.
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