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Raku is a good name (can be abbreviated to 楽 as a bonus). Camelia is too long and is already the name of the mascot. Ofun is terrible (nothing like a product implying it's "fun" by literally including "fun" in the name).
Perl 6 is probably a great language, I'm not very interested in it, for the reasons someone might pick it, I'd probably pick a different language; of course not for any logical reasons, but still. Perl 5 on the other hand is still a great language for lots of reasons. I hope Perl 6 is renamed and Perl 5 will become Perl again and it will be reinvigorated and more people will consider it again. Don't get me wrong, I d…
> Perl 6 is probably a great language, Does it also have the unparseability problem[0] of Perl 5? That's a deal breaker for a lot of tooling. [0] https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393
No language tooling is perfect. We shouldn't expect that from Perl tooling either.
I think the name Camelia or Raku is fine, no need to argue over it forever. During this renaissance period of computer languages in history, it will be nice to get this out and iterate. Given there are plethora of choices today like go, rust, Nim, elm, elixir, Scala, julia, crystal, F#, D etc. trying for developer mindshare which is a limited resource speed is of essence. Indeed with parrot VM besides perl 6 develope…
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There's no saving Perl 5; it's a legacy language in legacy maintenance mode for good reason. Renaming Raku/Camelia could help that language quit being saddled with the perception that it's also legacy in the same way, though.
What good reason is that?
As an outsider who hasn't written perl code in more than a decade this all makes a lot of sense to me. I think of Perl 5 as something "outdated" because I know that there is a language called Perl 6. When I think of Perl 6 I am not particularly interested in it because I assume it's more or less the same as the "old" Perl, which I don't use and didn't really like back in the day. Renaming Perl 6 to something else wou…
There's no saving Perl 5; it's a legacy language in legacy maintenance mode for good reason. Renaming Raku/Camelia could help that language quit being saddled with the perception that it's also legacy in the same way, though.
I don't get all this "Perl 6 is a different language" nonsense. It was created by Larry Wall and retains all the characteristics of Perl 5 whilst adding a lot of great stuff from other languages. Sadly, performance prevents it being taken seriously in production.
> performance prevents it being taken seriously in production. Performance is a big one. Not focusing on performance is like a strategic mistake for a programming language these days.
I don't get all this "Perl 6 is a different language" nonsense. It was created by Larry Wall and retains all the characteristics of Perl 5 whilst adding a lot of great stuff from other languages. Sadly, performance prevents it being taken seriously in production.
It's a different language because you can't run Perl5 programs unmodified in Perl6. The same is also true of Python2/Python3, which is why that transition has also taken so long. The difference is they managed to do it without everyone abandoning Python2 for something else.
1. The name, saddling it with the legacy of Perl. (I say this as someone who really liked working with Perl back in the waning years of the old millennium, and believes that Perl was visionary in pointing the way to the state of modern programming... but also that it had some limitations that have only become more glaring over the years.)
2. The coyness around whether it's "done" or not. Right now today, as someone who has paid attention to Perl 6 and even written some toy code with it, I do not understand its release status at all. That's absurd.
3. The insistence on branding sub-components of it and exposing that branding. Yes, it has a VM. Yes, it has a compiler. But why do people talk about ParrotVM and Rakudo as if they're different things? Java has a compiler and a VM, they're called "javac" and "jvm." This wifty "no, Perl 6 is the standard, the software you're running is Rakudo and Parrot" distinction is totally irrelevant to anyone actually wanting to write code, and weirdly confusing.
4. In a distant, distant last place: any actual functional stuff about the language.
I'm not surprised that the language is dying. They seem to be spending time on things no one cares about and things that are inconsequential.
This is by far the most important thing they could be doing right now. It should have been done 10-15 years ago, and is arguably the dominant remaining reason for why the work done on both Perls since Perl 6 has failed to payoff the way it should have. There is a certain contingent of developers who should have been all over Perl 6 and very excited about it. We should have been seeing the stream of "$COMMON_LIBRARY b…
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http://wiki.c2.com/?ThereIsMoreThanOneWayToDoIt
While I believe Python's continuing success is evidence supporting the truth of its Zen of Python philosophy: "There should be one — and preferably only one — obvious way to do it."