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MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by _the_inflator »

mailopl wrote: post #359

So I've been reading HN for almost 10 years now and nothing frustrated me this much to post a comment. 2017 MB Pro keyboard is a damn nightmare. By introducing Apple keyboard service program for MBPro2017 they acknowledged the keyboard is broken by design. I happened to spill a little bit of coffee on it, but MB did no care, it was working fine, up until the point I started losing keys because of the weak micro hinge…

Almost ironic. You have arguably the best case, best display, best OS: however it is the plastic keyboard...

I am currently scheduling an appointment with my MacBook Air 2018 (Apple keyboard exchange program). It takes - as the Apple shop yesterday stated - 3 to 12 days to exchange the keyboard. 3 to 12 days!

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Post by riffraff »

puranjay wrote: post #349
codemusings wrote: post #335

Recently my b key started to exhibit the same symptoms on my 2016 model. I avoided having to use the keyboard at all costs because it's a serious impedance to my productivity and it still happened to me. What's most infuriating is the realization that I bought a $3000 laptop with a keyboard that will break sooner or later and there's nothing you can do about it except sell it at a substantial loss. Even if I go throu…

I'm off the Apple train. I honestly don't trust them to make reliable hardware anymore. They've had three years to fix this mess but they have shown zero initiative or intention to do it. Apple has consistently shown that it cares more about form over function. No one needs their laptops to be any thinner than they already are. And no one needs the useless, expensive touchbar.

I plan to hold on to my 2015 mbp for a couple more years, since it's still functional enough. My hope is that Jony Ive leaving Apple might lead to some improvements, though I'm doubtful since Apple will still depend on his design firm.

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Post by AdamGibbins »

traderjane wrote: post #347
tolmasky wrote: post #37

The worst part is that I can tell this keyboard is actually having a detrimental effect on my typing abilities. Since being on these keyboards for years now, I've noticed that my typing speed has slowed, as I spend a significant amount of cognitive energy preparing to fix mistakes. The faster you type, the more annoying it is to go farther back to fix something. I'm not sure how to quantify the focus it steals from t…

Does Apple not offer a loaner laptop during that period? If not, I'm quite unimpressed. These laptops are expected to be purchased by working professionals... what does Apple imagine is the customer workflow when an issue arises? Pause your work while the laptop is in repair?

They do not. I've heard their recommended advice if this is a problem is to fork out and purchase yet another laptop at your own cost, and return it within the return window.

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Post by john_minsk »

traderjane wrote: post #347
tolmasky wrote: post #37

The worst part is that I can tell this keyboard is actually having a detrimental effect on my typing abilities. Since being on these keyboards for years now, I've noticed that my typing speed has slowed, as I spend a significant amount of cognitive energy preparing to fix mistakes. The faster you type, the more annoying it is to go farther back to fix something. I'm not sure how to quantify the focus it steals from t…

Does Apple not offer a loaner laptop during that period? If not, I'm quite unimpressed. These laptops are expected to be purchased by working professionals... what does Apple imagine is the customer workflow when an issue arises? Pause your work while the laptop is in repair?

Buy another one...

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Post by gurkendoktor »

wyclif wrote: post #262
hunta2097 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dell XPS15 with Ubuntu has literally been my best developer environment ever. Unfortunately my current gig is all MBP and I feel completely handicapped, even after many months - to the point I have resorted to a "proper" mechanical keyboard.

Another way around this for power users and devs that a lot of people seem to overlook is to get a 6-core Mac Mini and a mechanical keyboard. With a retina monitor, it's a great combination. As a touch typist and massive terminal keybindings user, I won't compromise on the keyboard. Apple needs to wake up and realise which slice of their market they are alienating. I'd say it's the most important one—the developers a…

> With a retina monitor, it's a great combination.

Sadly, the Retina monitor segment is a complete failure. Several 5K screens came out in 2015, along with the 27" Retina iMac, ... and then the market died off. The UltraFine 5K is finally available again, but it's being sold at 2015 prices (1400€ here). At that point you might as well get an iMac with eight cores, a dedicated GPU, and a semi-replaceable hard drive instead of the Mini.

In an ideal world, we'd have 8K ultrawide Retina displays by now. Sigh...

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Post by tachion »

seph-reed wrote: post #277
robjan wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they replace it with a keyboard with the same design flaws. I have replaced mine several times now and am left without a computer for a week every time.

I'm hoping t get Hackintosh running on a lenovo yoga so I can replace my keyboard one last time and sell the POS.

Don't. I've made the mistake of building a hackintosh out of 'Golden Build' list of seemingly issue-less components and it's a world of hurt. Every now and then something doesn't work (BT, Wi-Fi, GPU, random OS freezes) and there's no real way to fix it, the usual advice is to replace component and/or reinstall the OS. I've wasted so much time on it, that if I'd know it in advance, I wouldn't do it. You've been warned.

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Post by kristiandupont »

puranjay wrote: post #349
codemusings wrote: post #335

Recently my b key started to exhibit the same symptoms on my 2016 model. I avoided having to use the keyboard at all costs because it's a serious impedance to my productivity and it still happened to me. What's most infuriating is the realization that I bought a $3000 laptop with a keyboard that will break sooner or later and there's nothing you can do about it except sell it at a substantial loss. Even if I go throu…

I'm off the Apple train. I honestly don't trust them to make reliable hardware anymore. They've had three years to fix this mess but they have shown zero initiative or intention to do it. Apple has consistently shown that it cares more about form over function. No one needs their laptops to be any thinner than they already are. And no one needs the useless, expensive touchbar.

I just bought a second hand 2015 macbook pro and I hope it will last me years. But I was looking at Surface books and unless something changes, I too will be off Macbooks. Which sucks because if I could just keep the exterior and have better cpu+ram+hdd, I'd be perfectly happy.

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Post by stockkid »

For the reasons stated in this article as well as the existence of the touch bar, I have bought a ThinkPad when I wanted to upgrade my aging macbook last year.

In hindsight, I am happy with the decision thus far because I can accurately and swiftly type on my laptop keyboard without hurting my finger.

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Post by cs02rm0 »

I've got a 2019. I've hardly used the keyboard, I keep it closed and try and make sure I can work from somewhere with an external monitor and keyboard.

There's so much negative talk about them, I'm expecting it to have dissolved by the time I open it.

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