The worst thing is, the 2015 MBP keyboard was nearly perfect. The vast majority of the time I don't even use an external keyboard even when I am working at a desk and am plugged into monitor. It's one thing to fail at designing something because it is hard and you haven't figured it out yet. It's quite another to regress to incompetence on something you already perfected.
The 2015 MBP is great! I have a spare one stockpiled. I wish they would keep it basically as-is, replace one of the (generally unused) thunderbolt ports with a USB-C port, add their secure enclave T2 security chip, and update the CPU/chipset. Maybe even add FaceID...
MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy
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#352I use a MacBook Pro and a Air 2019, because I dislike the touchbar. I really like the keyboard feeling (especially the Air one) and reading these posts I wonder if someday it’s going to break.
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#353Recently my b key started to exhibit the same symptoms on my 2016 model. I avoided having to use the keyboard at all costs because it's a serious impedance to my productivity and it still happened to me. What's most infuriating is the realization that I bought a $3000 laptop with a keyboard that will break sooner or later and there's nothing you can do about it except sell it at a substantial loss. Even if I go throu…
What is more astounding to me is not the fact that it happened, but that apple did nothing about it. Years later they are still selling a broken device, and people are still buying it.
Macbook Pro has been my companion since 2005 and I feel like Apple is doing everything they can to make me switch to Linux. My current, fully loaded 15 inch MB Pro from late 2013 started having serious battery issues and I hope it will survive until redesign is introduced. Although given the recent breakthroughs in Apple product lines I suppose they will drive me even further away from them :-(
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#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
The primary difference is whether you think it's alright to spend £35 on a single simple cable or not. Many things that follow simply hinge on that.
Its never this simple. I switched from 2016 macbook pro to dell xps 13 running linux. I spent 2 weeks tinkering. Trackpad never worked half as good as MBP. The simple act of closing the display lid did not even put the computer to sleep reliably. I went back and paid the Apple tax. Edit: BTW, Windows was running OK on that machine. Linux was fucked. I guess Microsoft is doing great work on WSL2. It might be the solut…
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great, will they be offering free trade-ins? These are $2000 computers that have a major broken component. Not to mention, the second a computer comes on sale that doesn't have this issue, the resale value of the current MacBooks will be disproportionately affected compared to previous revisions. So a nice double whammy: a miserable experience during its use, and an unusually small resale value afterwards.
As a sometime mac diehard (iOS & Mac developer, ObjC enthusiast), I find it a little hard to imagine how anyone could continue paying through the nose for Apple's dreadful hardware at this point. A reasonable platform conservatism did encourage me to consider another mac when my 2013 MB Pro outlived its usefulness, but only briefly. Shame. Last time I used it (early 2018) I still found OS X to be have the best overal…
I've also felt that window management is better in Windows than in OS X. Multitasking feels faster and more intuitive on Windows 10.
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is more astounding to me is not the fact that it happened, but that apple did nothing about it. Years later they are still selling a broken device, and people are still buying it.
I refused to upgrade due to touch bar/esc key absence and the keyboard fiasco is a big no for now. I did hope for a major redesign this fall, but it seems I will have to wait much longer. Macbook Pro has been my companion since 2005 and I feel like Apple is doing everything they can to make me switch to Linux. My current, fully loaded 15 inch MB Pro from late 2013 started having serious battery issues and I hope it w…
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is more astounding to me is not the fact that it happened, but that apple did nothing about it. Years later they are still selling a broken device, and people are still buying it.
I refused to upgrade due to touch bar/esc key absence and the keyboard fiasco is a big no for now. I did hope for a major redesign this fall, but it seems I will have to wait much longer. Macbook Pro has been my companion since 2005 and I feel like Apple is doing everything they can to make me switch to Linux. My current, fully loaded 15 inch MB Pro from late 2013 started having serious battery issues and I hope it w…
Because, even with all current Apple semi-hate, nothing beats usability of OS X. And 2015 MBPs were (are) great.
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#358I switched to a Thinkpad after I had the horror of using a new Macbook. Running Ubuntu is lovely, so much so that for a developer there is little reason to be using a Macbook anymore. You can get a lot more bang for the buck using a Thinkpad AND have a functional keyboard. Apple should be very worried. Once they loose the developers, users won't be long to follow.
There are four of us at work that use Linux--the other 30 or so all have MacBooks. There are no converts, either you started a Linux person, or you started a Mac person. My little Linux enclave has some theories about the cognitive effect of all the polish that you find on Apple products, but we can't separate our biasses from good science, especially because there's nobody to ask that knows both worlds. So I have a…
However.... it's also very time consuming, so I basically never do that.
Linux out of the box without tweaking it will have a lot of behavior you may or may not agree with. I found it to be very difficult to adjust away from the cohesive interfaces found on the mac—you can use readline keybindings on all forms, which only very rarely conflict with application keybindings—and you have the same copy/paste keybindings everywhere you can copy/paste. The system keybindings have been consistent for about as long as I've been alive, I think. The built-in terminal is more than good enough for all my needs, and has excellent keybindings too! I can copy/paste/save/whatever with the same keybindings I use in all my other apps.
In other words, I find the interface to stay out of my way and I can work extremely productively with many windows and processes in flight. It may not be perfect, but dammit, it's about the best level of productivity I can manage, by a large margin.
In GNU/Linux, I'm constantly fighting the interface, so there's an implicit understanding of all sorts of behavior I find very difficult to adjust to. What are those lines under characters in the menu item? Why is my mouse frozen so I can't kill the application that's likely swapping memory? Why does every desktop environment have their own system settings and none of them have a decent gui for configuring trackpad behavior? Why are there two, maybe three different GUI frameworks, and several service layers, so you basically need to install the cores of both major desktop environments to use all the applications? I constantly ran into issues where, for instance, I could configure an app to work with the gnome keyring, but not the kde keyring. It's anarchy in the best and worst way. And don't even get me started on printers, graphics, and wifi drivers. All solvable—eventually. Unfortunately, I only had time for the worst experiences on the clock, and the last thing I wanted to do off the clock was fight the system further. So after two years on linux, after attempting to fight the transition to the touch strip, I switched back.
I did really, really love the paid (pay optional?) app system that was popping up, I found the apps high quality and I contributed to several I "bought", which was an experience that absolutely floored me, and there was some excellent curation involved there on behalf of the folks running the service. Still, the community is still very small.
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#359By introducing Apple keyboard service program for MBPro2017 they acknowledged the keyboard is broken by design. I happened to spill a little bit of coffee on it, but MB did no care, it was working fine, up until the point I started losing keys because of the weak micro hinges they have on the keys and flawed design.
Apple said they cannot fix it because of the coffee drops they found, even though it's flawed by design. I paid 3000USD for a laptop with 2 USBC ports and a freakin useless keyboard. That's the reason I didn't buy an iPhone now, and won't be buying any new Apple hardware no more - EVER. One more out of the apple train.