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Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by zrobotics »

jl6 wrote: post #202
zrobotics wrote: post #147

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Same thing as 'vegan' imitation leather products: a vegan doesn't intend on eating their wallet or belt, but they won't buy genuine leather goods for ethical reasons. Thus, a vegan belt. For the same reason, a vegan would avoid animal fat based soaps. Still humorous though, reminds me of the bleach drinking memes.

I genuinely expect Apple to sell an upcoming iPhone as vegan.

Considering all the different chemicals used in its manufacture, it is entirely possible that an iPhone isn't vegan.

Depending on how strict you are, plastic isn't vegan. The crude oil used could be considered an animal byproduct, as it is possibly derived from prehistoric animals ;)

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Post by ulises314 »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #108
roland35 wrote: post #100

I am not vegan myself, but I do appreciate the huge increase in vegan options now that I am lactose-intolerant! I do enjoy ordering a vegan option with grilled chicken or bacon added if I can.

If you don’t mind me asking, how did you become lactose intolerant? I don’t know much about that aspect of biology.

My bet is that, like most mammals, by becoming an adult.

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Post by belltaco »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #274
nojvek wrote: post #235

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why would animals in wild suffer more than in captivity? In captivity animals go through hell, tiny living spaces, shit and eat in same place, hormones injected, little freedom. Tons of videos on youtube if you feel like watching some gore. It's not about taking suffering away. Animals born in the wild live their life naturally. Animals created by us in farms are raised for one thing, for human consumption. If an ani…

Many cat adoption centers won't let people adopt cats if they'll let them outside. And those cats are living a better life than squirrels. I disagree with that, but the way I'd put it is, eating wild animals (modulo overfishing) is unquestionably morally right, but with captured animals, well, you noted that they're injected with hormones. That doesn't make the animals unhappy. I think you should concentrate on what…

>eating wild animals (modulo overfishing) is unquestionably morally right

How did you come to that conclusion?

I don't think it's anywhere close to "unquestionably".

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Post by yesenadam »

davidweatherall wrote: post #12

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I have a No Stylesheets bookmarklet which helps on a wide variety of web pages, also for colour/font/obscured text problems etc:

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Post by nothrabannosir »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #136
nothrabannosir wrote: post #90

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There is a downside to insisting on the purity of that definition. In the wild, vegetarian fundamentalism puts people off choosing vegetarian options, because going all the way is too hard for many. Net result is more meat consumption. Ironically, this attitude is harmful to the environment and to animals.

This makes no sense. There are a wide variety of dishes and people may be suggested that they can perfectly eat good, tasty food without eating meat at every meal. There is no need to even mention the terms "vegetarian" or "vegan", or to invent random new terms.

> This makes no sense.

Agreed. Group behaviour doesn't make sense. That doesn't make it less real.

"Pete, it's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart."

— Everett, O Brother, Where Art Thou?

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Post by bootlooped »

yters wrote: post #146
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #133

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> That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world I'm just going to refer to the factory farming article from 80000hours: https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/factory-farming/ Considering that "Each year, 50 billion animals are raised and slaughtered in factory farms globally. Over a billion animals live in factory farms at any point of time in the United States. Most experience serious levels o…

Do the animals experience more suffering than if they lived in the wild? Is industrial slaughter more or less traumatic than death in the wild? Are there any benefits animals experience living in captivity vs living in the wild? Is there anything positive about more such animals getting to live in the first place due to demand for meat?

You could use the same questions to attempt to sow doubt about whether or not human slavery is wrong, and I think that is the most disturbing thing about this line of argumentation.

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Post by _bfhp »

saagarjha wrote: post #215
_bfhp wrote: post #123

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I find the ethical-philosophical side of it interesting. In the philosophy of ethics, thought experiments can be helpful (or puzzling), like the trolley problem or the Categorical Imperative. So: Imagine if a wizard finished casting a very complicated and resource-intensive spell and the result is that every living cow, pig, chicken and turkey in the meat industry were replaced with a clone of a dog you've met. In th…

I'm not sure your thought experiment is all that useful, because there are many people who feel that livestock are fundamentally different from their pets and your example is similar to "What if the wizard instead replaced every plant with a human? Is it unethical to eat plants then?"

True, but I rarely see people explicitly assert that. The more people have to explain an arbitrary distinction out loud, the less it makes sense in the culture.

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Post by _bfhp »

roenxi wrote: post #142
_bfhp wrote: post #123

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I find the ethical-philosophical side of it interesting. In the philosophy of ethics, thought experiments can be helpful (or puzzling), like the trolley problem or the Categorical Imperative. So: Imagine if a wizard finished casting a very complicated and resource-intensive spell and the result is that every living cow, pig, chicken and turkey in the meat industry were replaced with a clone of a dog you've met. In th…

But the ethical base-case is potentially that none of those cows, pigs, chickens or turkeys are ever born. Case by case we couldn't say, but statistically a lot of farm animals are going to be reliant on human logistics, organisation and protection to survive in the numbers that they do. So the question might reasonably be 'are the conditions these animals face worse than never existing?'.

Then I think the natural follow-up experiment would be to imagine if a dog you know was born for dogfighting, and that you can be sure it will never escape. Would we rather it just not be born? If not, we just need to argue that being bred to dogfight is preferable to, or on-par with, being bred to be trapped in a cage and eaten.

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Post by Iv »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #133
Iv wrote: post #44

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For me that's a mix of ethical and environmental concerns. I agree that there is a point in the belief that it is unethical to kill animals. That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world, there are a lot of things to argue about, but in general, I agree that in an ideal world, we should not do that. The environmental concerns, I only buy half-heartedly. I don't really believe that land-owners wil…

> That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world I'm just going to refer to the factory farming article from 80000hours: https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/factory-farming/ Considering that "Each year, 50 billion animals are raised and slaughtered in factory farms globally. Over a billion animals live in factory farms at any point of time in the United States. Most experience serious levels o…

I just don't attribute the same value to animal life than to human life.

I don't even attribute the same value to life of different species. I don't think that worm farms are as bad as cow farms.

I tend to buy organic/free range animal products. I think factory farms are terrible, I would not mind seeing them gone, but imposing free range would be terrible for the environment.

Free range ones are not too unethical as they provide to animals close to the best they could hope for if they were free.

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Post by Iv »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #188
Iv wrote: post #44

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For me that's a mix of ethical and environmental concerns. I agree that there is a point in the belief that it is unethical to kill animals. That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world, there are a lot of things to argue about, but in general, I agree that in an ideal world, we should not do that. The environmental concerns, I only buy half-heartedly. I don't really believe that land-owners wil…

Regardless of your food selection, I’d encourage you to try bulk cooking if you haven’t before. Cook 4-5 days worth of food on Sunday, takes about 2 hours. You can eat dinner afterwards and package up a plate for every weeknight. When you get home from work during the week, turn on oven, put meal in immediately, take a shower or browse HN for 20 minutes, and you’re g2g. If you start to feel more handy with a frying p…

I know how to do it. I don't like it and I have better use of 2 hours of my precious sunday time.
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