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Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by dhyft » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:26 PM UTC

traverseda wrote: post #82

jaboutboul wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop shitting on them. We won the war. They’re mending their ways. It takes a long time to right such a large ship with levels upon levels of bureaucratic bullshit that’s been caked on for decades. It’s a WIP and they just granted a patent license to the OIN for fuck’s sake. Even 10 years ago this would have sounded like science fiction.

The WSL looks a lot like the embrace step of an embrace-extend-extinguish doctrine. I'll believe them more when I can write user-facing apps against their posix subsystem instead of requiring people to jump through many many hoops to actually install it. Right now it just looks like something they were forced into doing because they were losing on the devtools market.

>instead of requiring people to jump through many many hoops to actually install it

Yeah the hoops of going to the Store, searching for "ubuntu" and clicking Install

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by bdcravens » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

bluedino wrote: post #84

bdcravens wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure porting SQL Server to Linux was more than marketing.

Run SQL server on more cloud providers that way

Of course. Similarly, Linux is run more than Windows on Azure.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by jaboutboul » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

bluedino wrote: post #84

bdcravens wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure porting SQL Server to Linux was more than marketing.

Run SQL server on more cloud providers that way

Okay but this is the future of our industry. Are they just supposed to roll over or die?

Shouldn’t we appreciate that after decades of bad blood they’ve decided to now wise up? Shouldn’t we give the benefit of the doubt?

Companies have to face it. Community-which was once considered auxiliary bullshit that needed lip service—has now become the de-facto requirement for how to engage users and customers in a technology business. Now that we see them doing it we want to criticize them?

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by whereistimbo » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

wcchandler wrote: post #74

I haven't spun up anything in Azure for quite a while. Does anybody know if their default images use anything exFAT formatted? Doesn't UEFI/EFI binaries usually sit on exFAT?

By standard VFAT is required, but on most Windows PC, the UEFI partition is in NTFS.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by traverseda » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:32 PM UTC

dhyft wrote: post #101

traverseda wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WSL looks a lot like the embrace step of an embrace-extend-extinguish doctrine. I'll believe them more when I can write user-facing apps against their posix subsystem instead of requiring people to jump through many many hoops to actually install it. Right now it just looks like something they were forced into doing because they were losing on the devtools market.

>instead of requiring people to jump through many many hoops to actually install it Yeah the hoops of going to the Store, searching for "ubuntu" and clicking Install

Are they not still requiring this?

    Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName Microsoft-Windows-Subsystem-Linux

I admit I haven't used WSL in a while.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by mips_avatar » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:35 PM UTC

pedrocr wrote: post #33

I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Microsoft Office in my desktop Linux machine. Everything else is marketing. Edit: to expand, the corporate world runs on Excel/PowerPoint/Outlook. Microsoft milks them on Windows/Office licensing and is very aggressive against organizations that try to do Linux deployments. They're a convicted monopolist that got away easily when at some point the option on the ta…

You could use office 365 on your linux machine.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by chme » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

mips_avatar wrote: post #106

pedrocr wrote: post #33

I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Microsoft Office in my desktop Linux machine. Everything else is marketing. Edit: to expand, the corporate world runs on Excel/PowerPoint/Outlook. Microsoft milks them on Windows/Office licensing and is very aggressive against organizations that try to do Linux deployments. They're a convicted monopolist that got away easily when at some point the option on the ta…

You could use office 365 on your linux machine.

Offering a cloud service to a linux user is like tempting a vegetarian with meat.

Linux users often choose Linux because they want to be in control of their data and devices, cloud services are about giving control of that away to companies.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by tomatocracy » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

jaboutboul wrote: post #71

mda wrote: post #64

So after abusing this bullshit for more than a decade to bully companies. How gracious and generous of them. Oh btw, Satya is the CEO for 5 years.

Stop shitting on them. We won the war. They’re mending their ways. It takes a long time to right such a large ship with levels upon levels of bureaucratic bullshit that’s been caked on for decades. It’s a WIP and they just granted a patent license to the OIN for fuck’s sake. Even 10 years ago this would have sounded like science fiction.

I'm not so sure "we" won the war. If anything it's more like they mostly won the war (for the Enterprise Desktop, which is where the real money continues to be for them) and ALSO found a new SAAS/cloud empire and now they need to win the peace.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by Canadauni » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

Is it worth formatting my external flash media as exFAT at this point if I find myself dual booting often? NTFS on Ubuntu is pretty well covered so that has been what I have been using. But if exFAT support is improving I'm wondering if it is worth switching over.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by ses1984 » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 10:41 PM UTC

chme wrote: post #107

mips_avatar wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could use office 365 on your linux machine.

Offering a cloud service to a linux user is like tempting a vegetarian with meat. Linux users often choose Linux because they want to be in control of their data and devices, cloud services are about giving control of that away to companies.

I think a significant number of Linux users don't care about this.